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Bro have you considered that starving to death is actually okay?

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[-] yata 58 points 9 months ago

Lots of cringeworthy American exceptionalism and nationalism in that thread. I especially like this one:

It doesn't, all of these countries have different definitions on what "Rights" are, most of their constitutions don't even define a right in the context of a divine power as the United States does, most countries actually believe its the government's job to assign what rights its people are allowed.

It takes an impressive amount of baseless self confidence to speak with such certainty, yet with such ignorance, not only about other countries but your own country as well.

[-] [email protected] 30 points 9 months ago
[-] [email protected] 25 points 9 months ago

The point he's trying—but failing—to make is to invoke the core underpinnig of American legal philosophy: that people intrinsically have rights as an aspect of their being, and that they grant their government limited authority to regulate rights in order to ensure that nobody's rights get taken away or trampled on. Though the Declaration of Independence isn't part of the Constitution, it's useful rhetoric for understanding the legal philosophy of the United States, where everything I just said is phrased as:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. —That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed [...]

He idiotically phrases this as "divine power" probably because of this passage, but the actual salient point is that laws and states simply do not possess the power to grant or bestow the rights that already exist independently of them.

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

So he's saying that governments don't have the right to declare food a universal right?

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

Yes and incorrectly so.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

How horribly concise

[-] [email protected] 3 points 9 months ago

It’s not that government doesn’t have the power to grant rights. It’s assumed by default that if the right wasn’t enumerated here (in the constitution) then it exists by default. None of that bars either the constitution (via amendment) or law (so long as it doesn’t contradict the constitution) from granting or conferring or even restricting/limiting rights (again as long as it doesn’t contradict the constitution). All done via the consent of the governed (ie via elected government). We seem to have forgotten we have the power to “perfect” our laws and governing document.

[-] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

But they literally define which rights those are. There is no "natural" base, it's just whichever they decided to protect (and often times even those are infringed upon)

[-] [email protected] 24 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

A lot of people seem to have forgotten this, but the American constitution was actually written by god and passed down by Moses over 2000 years ago.

[-] [email protected] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Happy 2024th birthday God Earth America!

[-] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Unfortunately, there seem to be plenty that actually think along this line.

[-] [email protected] 8 points 9 months ago

Some Americans are indoctrinated to hate the government so much they forget that rights (despite what ever wording they use) are given and protected by the government

[-] Kecessa 0 points 9 months ago

It means atheists don't have any rights 👍

[-] [email protected] 23 points 9 months ago

US official reasoning from 2020, copied below. But here's the link https://usun.usmission.gov/explanation-of-vote-on-a-resolution-on-the-right-to-food/

This resolution rightfully acknowledges the hardships millions of people are facing, and importantly calls on States to support the emergency humanitarian appeals of the UN. However, the resolution also contains many unbalanced, inaccurate, and unwise provisions the United States cannot support. This resolution does not articulate meaningful solutions for preventing hunger and malnutrition or avoiding their devastating consequences.

The United States is concerned that the concept of “food sovereignty” could justify protectionism or other restrictive import or export policies that will have negative consequences for food security, sustainability, and income growth. Improved access to local, regional, and global markets helps ensure food is available to the people who need it most and smooths price volatility. Food security depends on appropriate domestic action by governments, including regulatory and market reforms, that is consistent with international commitments.

We also do not accept any reading of this resolution or related documents that would suggest that States have particular extraterritorial obligations arising from any concept of a “right to food,” which we do not recognize and has no definition in international law.

For these reasons, we request a vote and we will vote against this resolution.

[-] [email protected] 12 points 9 months ago

(if genuine) isn't, "I like the concept but I think your plan sucks and won't work" a justifiable reason to say no?

[-] [email protected] 0 points 9 months ago

It's acquire bad reason imo. If anything, the resolution is very forgiving. It could literally pass and nothing absolutely change, yet they still chose to vote against it.

[-] [email protected] 7 points 9 months ago

Bro have you considered that starving to death is actually okay?

It's okay if it's your own personal choice. But not okay if someone else is making that choice for you.

[-] [email protected] 2 points 9 months ago

Which is exactly what this UN resolution is about.

[-] PsychedSy -2 points 9 months ago

I think we have an ethical obligation to help others. Being against forcing someone to do something at gun point doesn't necessarily mean I don't want that something done.

It's pretty disingenuous to claim being against a government provision means someone is in favor of the opposite.

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