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Anti-Israel Protestors Shout ‘Gas the Jews’ Outside Sydney Opera House (themessenger.com)

submitted 10 months ago by [email protected] to c/[email protected]

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The protesters also lit off flares, according to Sky News Australia

Angry pro-Palestine protesters marched to the Sydney Opera House on Monday and appeared to chant "gas the Jews" and "f--- the Jews," according to an Australian media report.

The protesters also lit off flares, according to Sky News Australia.

A video of part of the protest, which began peacefully earlier in the day, was posted to X -- formerly known as Twitter -- by the Australian Jewish Association.

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[–] [email protected] 140 points 10 months ago (6 children)

This is just disgusting behaviour. No one should ever be calling for genocide, regardless of any circumstances. Also, why are all Jewish people being conflated with the Israeli government? Jews outside Israel have no power over its government, and even Israelis had to go through some five hung elections to get Netanyahu back in power, indicating that he clearly has less than 50% of the country’s support.

Now if they had been shouting “fuck Bibi” or “end the occupation” or “no more genocide against Palestine” I’d be right there with them. These idiots have no fucking clue how to garner support, so all they’re doing is giving Israel more moral high-ground. Goddamn Nazis need to learn some physical consequences.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

A big problem in conflating the bad government and the ethnic population and the religion is the fact the country is setup as a religious ethnocentric state. The titles, messaging, and words all conflate.

People are terrible with nuance at the best of times, when they are emotional that nuanced capacity goes out the window. So you can't be pro Palestine, anti Hamas and have any discussion.

This inability to maintain nuance applies to the other side too. You're either pro Israel, or anti-Semitic, at least in the public discourse. You can't be pro-Palestinian, anti Israeli (government), pro Jewish, that viewpoint has too much nuance for discourse in social media.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I think the discourse here is showing that nuance is definitely possible in social media, but that those social media that favour nuance are the absolute minority and located predominately away from mainstream social media.

I’m pro-Palestinians, pro-Israelis, anti-Hamas, anti-Zionist, anti-Hezbollah and anti-Israeli Government simultaneously, and that view seems to be pretty well accepted here.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 months ago (1 children)

What's the difference between anti-Zionist, and anti Israeli government?

We're having a good discussion in this thread. But another threads I've participated in recently, the discussion goes quickly off the rails.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Not all Israeli parties are Zionist - it’s predominately the coalition of right-wing parties. To paint all Israeli politicians as being Zionist is a bit disingenuous, although I do admit that the vast majority of Israeli political discourse is dominated by Zionist overtones.

There are also cultural and religious minorities in Israel - predominately Christians and Muslims - and the Knesset has had a fairly stable cohort of Arab or Druze members since it was established.

If we’re talking about the current ruling parties? Absolutely, they’re Zionist through-and-through. But they’re not reflective of the whole Knesset.

There are also Zionists outside of Israel - Evangelical Americans as a group come to mind here. There are many people of many religions around the world that believe that Israel has the right to Palestine for one arcane reason or another.

To suffice: not all Israeli government are Zionists; not all Zionists are Israeli.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 months ago

That was a very succinct explanation. Thank you

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago

Completely agree. And this conflation of Jewish people and the Israeli government actions, mostly pushed by Zionists, is something that progressive, pro-palestine Jewish people have been complaining about forever.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 10 months ago

Right there with you. Anyone that didn't immediately shut that shit down was complicit, making it a bunch of fascists masking their bullshit in leftist positions.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago

I swear every good cause have god damn idiots like these messing them up.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago (1 children)

If you read the article you will notice this was a minority group of idiots that were quickly shut down by the protest organisers.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I did note that in the article when I read it. My comment wasn’t directed at the protest organisers - it was specifically towards the Nazis in the crowd. I thought my comment indicated that; sorry if I wasn’t clear enough.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Israels is trying to rope all Jews in, demanding support and claiming itself to be the state representing judaism as a whole.

Unfortunately many jewish organizations around the world consider unconditional support for Israel as part of their goals, even when Israel is commiting crimes against humanity. There is also jewish organizations with a balanced view towards Israel, but they are unfortunately much smaller.

[–] Barbarian 15 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 children)

Israel is trying to rope all Jews in

As a secular non-Israeli Jew, this is absolutely correct. They correctly state that they're the country of last resort, the refuge for Jews if things go full Nazi in whatever country you're in. Then they use that status to try and get unconditional support for all their policies.

Likud, Shas, the various hyper-religious parties and all their allies shouldn't be allowed to run a corner store, let alone a country.

Especially Otzma Yehudit. Those people are scum of the highest order.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago

Ironically, Israel is getting closer to full nazi than most other places with large Jewish populations. Perhaps they will soon be fleeing for Europe or North America.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 months ago (4 children)

Also, why are all Jewish people being conflated with the Israeli government?

You've got me, but I've had to justify that multiple times about myself.

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[–] [email protected] 104 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Nobody here read the article, don't take the rate bait. This was a small group of idiots in a larger protest. The organisers quickly shut them down and made it clear this was not welcome.

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[–] [email protected] 63 points 10 months ago (2 children)

I feel like you can be pro-palestine without being antisemitic…

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Just like you can be anti-Hamas without being anti-Palestine or pro-Israel.

As with virtually any war, the problems here are two relatively small groups of people with radical ideas that are enforcing their will upon millions of innocent people.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 10 months ago (1 children)

These people only hate Jewish people. If they had any love for Palestine they wouldn't be fanning this flame.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 months ago

The people chanting ‘gas the Jews’, absolutely. No question about it.

But the majority of folks that support Palestine are not antisemitic.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 10 months ago

That's disgusting. I'm pro Palestine but anti semitism is revolting

[–] [email protected] 37 points 10 months ago (5 children)

This is instead of answering multiple people:

Hamas is an anti-Semitic terror organization (not anti Israeli). You can't really separate between Hamas and Gaza citizens because Hamas controls Gaza. Hamas has day camps for children (in order to brainwash them from a young age), they have TV shows, radio channels, etc...

Mein kampf is a best seller in Palestine (see the comments and other links accept the answer).

Mein kampf was translated to Arabic in the 1930s and it's still spread in some countries in order to create anti semitism (of course), and it's not just in Muslim countries.

Hamas don't give a toss about Palestinians, they want to please Iran and Qatar.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 10 months ago

I would take this article with a grain of salt. The Messenger is a conservative leaning publication intended to push an agenda.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 10 months ago (1 children)

See, us Aussies have a word for these type of people - cunts.

Nazi works too. Fucking animals.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 months ago (1 children)

No, that last one's zoophiliac, but probably works too.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 10 months ago

Hahahahha

[–] [email protected] 26 points 10 months ago (1 children)

It wasn’t the sky news Australia team on their lunch break was it?

[–] xmunk 19 points 10 months ago

On their lunch break? I'm sure it was a company event and they were on the clock.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 10 months ago

Newspaper trying to smear Palestine by labelling white supremacists as pro Palestine...

[–] [email protected] 20 points 10 months ago

Jesus fucking Christ.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago (1 children)

I’m sure these people can expect a visit from the Australian Federal Police pretty quickly. Australia still has some tough antiterrorism/national-security laws on the books that could be used to put them in a deep, dark (or constantly fluorescent-lit) hole they won’t emerge from.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 10 months ago

As this doesn't interfere with mining interests or criticism of the government the AFP will be sleeping through any antisemitic sentiment

[–] [email protected] 15 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Classy.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 10 months ago

Disgusting.

[–] ElBarto 12 points 10 months ago

The quickest way to destroy your message is to declare death on someone.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

The whole Israel/Palestine thing is gonna be the media's wedge issue of the week, isn't it?

[–] mindbleach 6 points 10 months ago

A nice reminder that no matter what you're doing, Nazis will sometimes vaguely agree with you, and you're still cool to tell them to go fuck themselves.

Bad faith is never the same argument you're having. It's not an argument, period. It's mimicry.

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