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[–] [email protected] 85 points 10 months ago (57 children)

If you're still trying to pull "both sides" to defend a country murdering and abducting children, you have no footing to stand on.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

They don't care. It's meant to muddy the waters, confuse people who only pay attention to world affairs on the surface level. Repeat it, and people remember it. Doesn't matter who responds to you. Doesn't matter what they say to refute it. All that matters is getting the material out there, making it pop, making it catchy. Then all you have to do is rely on spotty human memory to do the rest.

It's even better when you get third parties passing along your propaganda too, and all the implications it drags with it.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago

"This is not war of Russia and Ukraine. I am against such definition. This is Putin's war."

- Boris Nemtsov, before he was shot on bridge near Kremlin wall

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[–] [email protected] 77 points 10 months ago (45 children)

There is a "peace organization" here in Sweden, Svenska Freds, that are hard core pacifists. No matter what - pacifists. Their reasoning is like children. War is bad, everybody should be friends, the end. Reality should conform to this simple principle.

In the early days of the invasion, their loud public stance was that Sweden should not support Ukraine with military equipment. Ukraine was just as bad as Russia for defending themselves with weapons when they should use reason and diplomacy.

Then they got all weepy in the media when people called them useful idiots for Russia.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 10 months ago

Absolutely hate those sorts of people. I'm a pacifist too, but not at the cost of my own life.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 months ago

Pacifism. Pacifism is objectively pro-Fascist. This is elementary common sense. If you hamper the war effort of one side you automatically help that of the other. Nor is there any real way of remaining outside such a war as the present one. In practice, ‘he that is not with me is against me’. The idea that you can somehow remain aloof from and superior to the struggle, while living on food which British sailors have to risk their lives to bring you, is a bourgeois illusion bred of money and security. Mr Savage remarks that ‘according to this type of reasoning, a German or Japanese pacifist would be “objectively pro-British”.’ But of course he would be! That is why pacifist activities are not permitted in those countries (in both of them the penalty is, or can be, beheading) while both the Germans and the Japanese do all they can to encourage the spread of pacifism in British and American territories. The Germans even run a spurious ‘freedom’ station which serves out pacifist propaganda indistinguishable from that of the P.P.U. They would stimulate pacifism in Russia as well if they could, but in that case they have tougher babies to deal with. In so far as it takes effect at all, pacifist propaganda can only be effective against those countries where a certain amount of freedom of speech is still permitted; in other words it is helpful to totalitarianism.

exert from Orwell on Pacifism and the war

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 10 months ago

*raped, tortured, and shot

[–] [email protected] 43 points 10 months ago (2 children)

The children were ravenous demons! Foaming at the mouth!

[–] [email protected] 27 points 10 months ago (1 children)

Our hands were forced. We had to kidnap them from their families we killed and send them to residential schools.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 10 months ago

Nazi Satanist drug-addicts, no doubt. It was self-defense.

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