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Saikou - the best Anime streaming app on Android - got DMCA'd (sh.itjust.works)

submitted 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) by newIdentity to c/[email protected]

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Even the Discord and Buymeacoffee page got taken down. This is larger than any other DMCA I know of

Edit: even the Telegram has been nuked. Yup, Telegram

Slight correction: the discord isn't down. I just couldn't find it in my list of servers

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[–] [email protected] 113 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Yet another reminder that GitHub is not your friend, but also that borderline projects shouldn't be hosted on anyone else's server other than your own, you'll possess all the repository data, but you'll also be made to shut down anyway if on the clearnet, so I wonder if it's possible to host a forge through Tor/i2p or others.

Still, this is clearly wrong on who sent the DMCA, the apps never host the content, I hope they can get back up.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 11 months ago

Exactly GitHub is owned by Microsoft

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (1 children)

there are already many forges hosted through i2p, I imagine the same can be said for tor. That doesn't mean the host can't ban you there as well though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Unlike three-letter agencies I dont think the copyright holders of some anime will be able to figure out who hosts you if youre behind tor.

Not that I think putting a repository behind tor would be a good idea when it comes to ease of use in submitting bug reports or contributions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

i didn't necessarily mean copyright holders could find you, i just meant you're still at the mercy of the host (unless that host is you)

[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (1 children)

I doubt this is larger than when MegaUpload got DMCA'd.

But yes, it's pretty big.

[–] newIdentity 14 points 11 months ago

Yeah, I mean any Anime related app takedown

[–] [email protected] 47 points 11 months ago

Imo this is why big projects that are borderline like this should use github alternatives, preferably self hosted solutions. This was always going to happen.

[+] [email protected] 34 points 11 months ago (3 children)

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[–] newIdentity 6 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

Maybe they changed something since I used it the last time when it came out but I find the UI to be horrible.

It's a Manga UI used for watching anime. I rather have a UI with beautiful animations. Saikou has one of the most beautiful UI I've ever seen in an app.

While I love Tachiyomi (J2K) as a Manga reader and I think it's the best one on any platform, it's not great as a Streaming app designed as a streaming app (I know Saikou isn't just a streaming app and you can also read Mangas in it, but I rather use Tachiyomi for that)

Edit: just checked it out. Nope still a Manga app UI for an anime streaming app with horrible discoverability and you can't switch between different sources easily. The sources are cool I guess, but I don't need those. You also can't add something on Anilist and automatically have it added to your "continue watching" list.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Switching sources def isn't a single button thing, but it's only a few clicks using the Migrate option in the 3 dot menu, it will transfer the progress you had in the previous source and the Anilist/MAL tracking.

Since I use AniChart's website directly I never missed that part being in the app, but it would be cool too.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

cloudstream!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

It absolutely is, the extensions are brilliant.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hopefully they had backups elsewhere. This is why piracy apps need to at least try a little to not make their github so obviously a piracy app.

I hope @[email protected] updates reiverr to use open source movies from the blender studio for the images/gifs so it can be passed off as a media app for non piracy related streaming

[–] newIdentity 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It was pretty popular and had thousands of stars. It even trended on GitHub

So this was pretty much unavoidable.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (1 children)

why is the DMCA the one area the government has apparently unlimited power and resources

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago

It's frequently laywers and companies appeasing them, not the government.

[–] Klystron 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Just use aniyomi, it's not locked to anilist

[–] newIdentity 14 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

But I like Anilist. And the UI and features of Saikou

The UI of Tachiyomi isn't made for Anime. It's a Manga app and it's great for that, but it's horrible for Anime

[–] Klystron 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

It has anilist too, that's what I use. I had never even heard of saikou before so haven't used it but I've never had any issues with aniyomi. It's perfectly functional in finding anything I want to watch and looks good. Can't do anything about your subjective preferences though.

[–] newIdentity 3 points 11 months ago (6 children)

Just that Saikou isn't just an anime streaming app. It's also an Anilist client. And it's beautiful and I love the animations and video player features like a skip intro button and it's generally just beautiful. You also can read Manga with it, but I honestly prefer Tachiyomi for that.

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[–] newIdentity 2 points 11 months ago

Just try it. I backed it up. But you need to have an AniList account since it uses Anilist's API for a lot of features:

https://1drv.ms/u/s!AqwI_W0TvdXTh_8MwtVgL24_yBzNLA

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The dev of Saikou made an announcement on the Discord about this

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[–] newIdentity 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Lol. Somebody reposted my post on reddit: reddit.com/r/animepiracy/comments/16v4jru/saikou_the_best_anime_streaming_app_on_android/

I don't mind at all and am kinda happy.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Any fork?

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago

I think all were also dmca’d

https://github.com/github/dmca/blob/master/2023/09/2023-09-20-corsearch.md

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Question - What happens if we are hosting a Git repo ourselves, like using Gitea or something, and we receive a DMCA takedown request and we refuse? I mean, they can take down the domain, but what if weare hosting on a personal homeserver and keep changing domains whenever they take one down?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Then it's your choice to comply, call their bluff, or do whatever you want. I've seen people who doxxed the DMCA sender and made threats towards the sending agent (the hoster was Russian).

Though best course of action would be to comply or ignore it, don't do what that guy did, best to keep quiet than to stir up trouble.

Outright refusal or ignoring it does come with the risk of litigation (threats can accelerate it or lead to prosecution) assuming you're within their jurisdiction.

[–] Fullest 5 points 11 months ago

Legally, you cannot refuse. DMCA is written such that the host must take down first and ask questions later.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (7 children)

They should upload the code on an .onion page

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

God damnit

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Can you link their telegram?

[–] newIdentity 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It's gone

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 months ago

There must be a username/t.me link which is used previously

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