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[–] [email protected] 88 points 11 months ago (1 children)

"Fought Russia in WWII" hmmm πŸ€”

[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I mean, there were others fighting the Russians, too.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Perhaps he was an Italian fascist instead

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 11 months ago (16 children)

Absolutely fucking not. Waffen-SS members are war criminals not hapless stooges.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Context for people not from Canada?

[–] [email protected] 94 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Someone in the govt got a old Ukranian dude to speak to the parlement, and they all applauded him for fighting Russia in WW2, forgetting that the people who faught Russia in WW2 were the Nazis.

They had accidentally invited a literal Nazi to speak, and applauded him for it.

[–] spankinspinach 66 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (6 children)

Canadian here. Minor correction: he didn't speak, but he was invited as a Ukrainian "hero" by the speaker of the house (a member of the sitting elected party). He was applauded - twice - for his "service". Including by Ukrainian president zelensky.

The only 'defense' I can offer is that our prime minister had no input on the matter, and Hunka's Nazi service came out after the fact. Canada does not support fascism or Nazism...

But it's a bad look, no matter how you cut it...

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Having no input on a Nazi guest in your house is the opposite of a good thing. Silence is complicity.

[–] spankinspinach 23 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I agree that silence is complicity, but that only applies if you know there's something worth being silent about, no?

In this case, the PM had no input because the speaker doesn't have to ask permission to invite people from his constituency. So it falls to the speaker to validate his invitees. As such, PM has no input, but also no more fault than anyone else told to clap for the "Ukrainian hero" in this scenario... Is my understanding

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (2 children)

No, that's not it, in Canadian Parliament it is the speaker of the house who has ths sole responsibility for both inviting guests to the gallery and for recognizing them in the official remarks. Other members of the house and government weren't even given notice the guy would be there. The speakers office arranges guest vetting, but it is only a security vetting not a political one. That is the PPS and RCMP decide if the 98 year old, legal Canadian immigrant is likely to put the house and guesses physical danger, they don't consider at all if the guest will cause a political headache.

So the fallout is that the speaker (who in fact was solely responsible for what happened) has resigned, and the PM has offerd an official apology on behalf of all Canadians. There could be more political fallout domestically, as the opposition parties are misleading Canadians and stoking ignorance of our procedures to paint the government as responsible , which I emphasize again, they were not.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

"Sir we invited an Ukranian war hero, is that ok?"

What was he supposed to do, order a quick background check on that old dude before applauding?

[–] spankinspinach 11 points 11 months ago (3 children)

I can't tell if this is tongue in cheek, but the opposition is staying that this is exactly what should have happened before allowing the Nazi entry.

My read on this situation is that it all seems obvious after the fact, but that's cuz now we know. I believe the vetting process is being reviewed because of this event. Definitely a gaffe on the part of the speaker, if this info is truly so readily accessible

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Hunka's Nazi service came out after the fact.

He fought Russians in WW2. Wonder which army he belonged to...

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Could have been Poland, Romania etc I guess. But well it wasn't.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (4 children)

No, the Russians were the good guys in WWII, everyone who fought them were bad and Nazis or Nazi-adjacent. This is basic Hexbear 101.

The Russians were just spreading worker solidarity.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

They were so nice they even helped with repopulating all the countries they helped liberate!

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

No, the Russians were the good guys in WWII,

The Russians were definitely not the good guys in WW2. They happened to end up fighting the same guys the Allies were, but that's it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

that comment is 100% heavy sarcasm

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 months ago (1 children)

the people who faught Russia in WW2 were the Nazis.

Not all of them though. Division of Poland and Winter War come to mind.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago (13 children)
[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

"Man who caught for a nazi unit"

Let me fix that for you:

"A Nazi who fought for Adolp Hitler"

Why are facho news like reverse clickbaity so often?

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Can anybody explain to me what is up with Canada and a Nazi, I have been quite enjoying my rock for a couple of months.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 11 months ago (2 children)

The Canadian parlement did a standing ovation for a ukrainian solidier who was an ex nazi in WW2

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago

Actually a current Nazi in WW2. It's arguable if he's an ex Nazi now

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

Some guy in parliament grabbed a Ukrainian who fought the Russians in WWII to make a show for Zelensky visiting parliament, without stopping to consider who the Ukrainians that fought the Russians in WWII were.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Isn't he being extradited now? TF he was doing, coming out hiding.

[–] Astronautical 7 points 11 months ago

Poland only send out an unofficial request because of lack of evidence iirc.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (1 children)

This shouldn't be surprising given:

https://www.jta.org/1997/06/05/global/canada-knowingly-admitted-ss-members-after-world-war-ii

One of the ways of getting into Canada during the postwar period β€œwas by showing the SS tattoo,” Canadian historian Irving Abella told β€œ60 Minutes” interviewer Mike Wallace. β€œThis proved that you were an anti-Communist.”

The Canadian government hasn't really changed. Some high up government officials are the children and grandchildren of Nazi war criminals: https://www.google.com/amp/s/ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/chrystia-freelands-granddad-was-indeed-a-nazi-collaborator-so-much-for-russian-disinformation/wcm/11196169-fd23-4643-94b4-08039235c595/amp/

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Liberals always side with fascists over communists/socialists when push comes to shove.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago (1 children)

As a Canadian this is totally embarrassing but atleast we don't consider him a national hero like some nazis in America...

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago
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