Correct - I’m out. I’m sure many will go back and my absence won’t make a difference, but I’m out and I’m not budging.
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It's looking promising between Lemmy & Mastodon, things seem smoother than when I last checked them back when Elon started snapping Twitter.
It still doesn't seem to be anywhere near mainstream, it's mainly tech people and bots by the looks of things and I'm not sure how this is fixed without advertising and maybe not having to copy and paste links between servers.
Reddit had variety. Some of the neckbeards there didn't even use linux which, whilst being wrong, added a little color.
Reddit was moaning about the cost of maintaining a public API that is being heavily farmed by AI learning, could this be an issue for the hosting of Lemmy?
On the plus side, copy & paste in a browser works here!
I agree. Front page of reddit has been trash for the past 5 or so years. But it's smaller subreddits are where I spent my time. It became mainstream enough that there were communities for literally every topic or hobby imaginable. And they'd been around long enough for extensive wikis and info, and every question you can imagine has probably been asked and answered at some point. That's the part that I'm going to miss, something that took a decade to build.
But it's worth rebuilding that somewhere with the infrastructure like Lemmy. Not tied to a company.
I'm not really fussed about the wiki's and historic data but the fractured communities are a sore one.
I suspect after the blackout has eased it may be time for some evangelism about the fediverse on Reddit. But before evangelizing to anyone I need some experience of the platform and how it relates to the other areas of the fediverse to see if this is a realistic option for the majority of people who want something that 'just works'.
I heard quite a few subs mentioning backup Discord & Telegram groups and it would be nice if we could sell the fediverse to these groups as I'd really rather not deal with Discord, Telegram & Reddit regularly. I will tolerate it, like I do Whatsapp, as a tool to communicate with worthwhile people who don't really care about my views on software, if the alternative is a social media stream that's 95% free software enthusiasts.
I like your idea of evangelizing people on Reddit, but I'm kinda concerned with how we'd keep this infrastructure up and running in the long term. I don't think everyone would like to donate some bucks to help keep their home instance running, and the massive migration has already made some instances to upgrade their servers, raising their cost.
I'd love to see the Fediverse expand as a whole, but it must be a sustainable growth if we want to get somewhere.
The longterm is anyone's guess. There's a lot of people not happy with Reddit and Spez at the moment and a viable alternative could see a rise in funding in the short term alongside the increased activity due to this.
I may be overly optimistic but suspect if Reddit refugees found a safe space they may donate a few pennies to the cause.
The reddit blackout is a nice stress test for Lemmy. I have to say after joining on lemmy.fmhy.ml everything has been really smooth from the server side, no complaints there. My main issue is that even fairly techy friends would find it confusing atm, I couldn't go onto r/randonsubreddit and explain Lemmy is a simple alternative everyone on the sub can easily migrate to.
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Agreed, I think it's a good time to be here: Mastodon has been gaining a lot of ground these days, thanks to Elon; other apps like Peertube, Pixelfed, Lemmy and Kbin are growing as well. Now I actually enjoy the experience of the Fediverse, and I hope it keeps growing and maybe dethrone current mainstream media.
Reddit was moaning about the cost of maintaining a public API that is being heavily farmed by AI learning
TL;DR: Spez is a scumbag and don't care if people use Reddit content to train AI models, he wants to kill 3rd party apps.
I don't think they're actually worried about people using their data to train AI models, since Sam Altman (OpenAI's CEO) is a Reddit investor and was a former chairman until 2022. I mean, either spez knew Sam was using it (my theory is that they're "friends" and spez knew it all along) OR spez didn't see Reddit content as valuable until now. Either way, Reddit started to limit access from mobile browsers, forcing users to use their official app. I don't know, but it seems to me spez is trying to kill 3rd party apps instead of just creating a better protection against scraping.
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Since Lemmy is based on federated servers like Mastadon the worst that happens is the admins of an instance see the excessive traffic and block the IP.
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The latest response from Reddit personally makes me quite furious https://tenor.com/038z.gif
So yeah.. Even if they revert shit I'm probably not going back there as much as I possibly can.
I say "as much as I possibly can" because Reddit has a stupid large archive of problem troubleshooting and solutions, which would make it difficult to completely abandon it in my opinion
I am actually done with Reddit at this moment. This blackout showed me what Reddit is without the communities and the people. It felt really empty and unusable and it won't get any better. CEO of Reddit is a certified idiot. Right now trying to figure out how to delete my posts/comments and stuff (with a script) before deleting my Reddit account.
On Android there's an app called Redact that will scrub your social media accounts. I used it on my reddit account and it worked well.
Thanks for letting me know of this. It is even cross-platform... Works pretty much on everything. For the ones who are interested, here's a link: https://redact.dev
Before you do... consider copying the text of your top posts into a doc, then reposting them here. It's OUR content, so we can take it with us when we leave.
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I thought from the beginning that planning a blackout for just 2 days was self defeating. All they need to do is ride it out. And they got enough disinterested users and subs still active these two days that it's not really hurting them long term. The only way it hurst them is if it's a longer strike against engagement with Reddit
Probably not, but I'd be happy if I was proven wrong.
Agreed. I have given a fair amount of my time and energy to creating a sense of community in several subreddits and have been a member for over a decade. But the fact that they suddenly see dollar signs and want to burn that social capital for a quick buck does not speak well for the future of the site. One way or another, they are going to sell out and fuck over the user to make money.
I'm done.
I will go back. To delete my users.
Just did this, it felt really nice to leave a message as to why I deleted it
I'm sad thinking about all the valuable info out there that'll be deleted while people leave reddit, but I also don't think the company deserves the value the users have put into it.
I haven't been this excited about the internet in a long time. It feels good to be a part of something that belongs to us, the people. Watching this grow gives me hope that one day we actually will be able to break free from capitalism.
I'm sure as hell not going back unless they revert the API changes, greedy fucks.
I'm not going back even if they do. I like it here.
I highly doubt they will budge. They're making a very loud statement by changing what they did. Because of that I will never look at reddit the same again. But on the other hand I'm glad it's came to what it has, I would have never sought out and found lemmy. I'm glad to be a part of something new.
Yes it feels like discovering reddit all over again! But this time we're all discovering it together :)
I won't go back to a place where I was worried of my wonderful piracy communities getting the plug pulled on them. This place is home now.
I feel the same. Can't believe those piracy communities survived this long on that platform...
I was pretty baffled by it myself and I'm a newcomer
I ran a tiny subreddit dedicated to my favourite author, Bill Bryson. That's gone forever. I used Apollo.
I love Bill Bryson!
I honestly don't plan to. I've been way less into it in recent years, I used to doomscroll for hours at a time but now I have TikTok and Discord servers that I am more occupied with. I like Lemmy a lot better already, we just need more people to use it.
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"I think the wouldn't last 2 weeks"
Unlike digg, I think they would. I think they will :(
Agreed. As much as I'd like to think they won't, they will. They'll find a way to monetize the OF promotion subs, plus make the site more microblogging like... cuz apparently, that is what works regarding social networks. That and the fact that the crowd that they now dislike (us) has left, leaves them a clean slate to do whatever they want. And they will, just not with us.
Reddit is not gonnna crumble, wait and see.
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I agree but I think also most of the quality posters will begin leaving as the platform becomes more shittified, beyond those of us that are quitting in protest. I have been noticing a significant decline in the quality of conversations in the last couple of years in a few of my subs, as some people obsessed with karma started inserting themselves in every possible conversation and steering the subs in the direction they wanted. Which is not Reddit's fault, but it seems to happen every time a social media platform reaches critical mass, and the karma system encouraged that. Some people almost literally live for the karma - how many times have you seen redditors complain about being downvoted? That sort of thing ends up attracting people desperate for attention.
Quality posts may be gone, but that doesn't mean more people will leave the platform. For most of humanity, it just works. Shitposts, OF promotion subs and just general "show me your genitals" subs will continue to exist. And that is what most of humanity cares about. I myself do enjoy that from time to time, but in a regulated manner, which is why I have multiple accounts here and on reddit. Most people just wanna see some nudes, wanna laugh at some posts, cringe things, etc. Those subs won't go dark and didn't go dark. I have a few of them on one of my accounts and they still thrive. Not to mention the relationship/dating/amiugly subs, they also have a massive following, more than 1k comments on a single post, that's huge.
So, basically, that just leaves the tech (and not all of them BTW) and politics related subs that might shift directions to switch to lemmy. Everythings else will more or less stay on reddit.
That being said, there is a spike of bots posting on reddit for the past 2, 3 days. Most notably on the NSFW subs cuz no one actually cares what's being posted there (moderation is almosy none existent). And that, allong with the subs with most posts, that will make up for the posts of the communities protesting and everything will continue as if nothing happened.
I don't know about Digg, but the blackout kinda crashed their website/app. I think if we keep the protests going, they'll either have to roll back the changes, or open the subreddits by force and deal with low quality moderation.
Also, I think they did some irreparable damage to their image by not listening to their users, and this hopefully will kill their platform on the long term.
It's not FB or Twitter, thus, no one actually cares. There was only one news report regarding the blackout, one.
There were bunches, most of the major news networks. Hell pbs newshour covered it.
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I plan on going back, but only to encourage mod teams to move to lemmy.
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