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Prosecutors are moving aggressively because the plea deal fell apart. But why did it fall apart?

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Seems like to a certain extent the media and the public are humoring the Republicans about Hunter, because there's a sense that allowing him to be treated extremely harshly in some way justifies throwing the book at Trump.

But that isn't the case.

TRUMP is actually being treated with kid gloves. He staged an insurrection (potentially a coup), and should have been behind bars ever since. Actually if he had been treated fairly he'd have been indicted for the obstruction of justice charges laid out in the Mueller report.

With zero evidence, Republicans have been digging into Hunter Biden for years and they found ZERO evidence to support the allegations that they were investigating.

They stumbled into minor tax issues, and Hunter lying about his drug addiction on a firearms permit.

And then, when Hunter got treated like any other person facing such minor charges, the Republicans flipped out decided that Hunter didn't deserves JUSTICE. No. These Republicans are out for some misplaced revenge.

Disgusting.

[–] [email protected] 43 points 1 year ago (2 children)

I also love that it's a GUN charge. They are all about ppl having guns just not THOSE ppl. 🤔🤣

[–] [email protected] 68 points 1 year ago (1 children)

My in laws were railing about it. I reminded my FIL that he purchased multiple guns while an active user of weed, and therefore committed the same crime as Hunter, so he should be charged too. He said it's different and changed the subject.

[–] [email protected] 37 points 1 year ago

You can't shame the shameless.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Kids need gun, adults need guns, everyone needs guns in case someone uses their gun.
No not him, we don't like his dad

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

The mental gymnastics that's at play lately makes me nauseous

[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (1 children)

It's not that we're humoring the Republicans, it's that this is their one and only game, and we're bored. Right now, it's Hunter Biden's guns and fake jobs. It was Hillary's emails and Benghazi. Obama's birth certificate. John Kerry's swift boat. Bill Clinton's affair.

The amazing thing is that they've definitely tried it on Joe Biden, and the best the could come up with was smelling women's hair. That man has been in politics for 53 years, and they haven't been able to get even a hint of scandal to stick to him. The best the can do is Hunter.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

At this point, the GOP is going out of their way to torture Hunter and ruin his life and image.

Deplorable behavior, I just wish the other half of this country would realize this is barbaric, uncouth, and not what this country stood for - because as it stands, we're teetering between a more socialist capitalism and fascism.

I talked to my grandfather, he isn't long for this world but he was clear headed when we talked - Asked him about fascism, as a WW2 vet. He has voted R most of his life, but thankfully he sees the writing on the wall at this point. It did take a little emotional damage though, his second great grandchild was just born - if things keep progressing in this fashion, what life will it have? Not the America he reminisces about, and not the good parts of the more modern times.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Hunter is starting to punch back and will have his day in court. Someone hacked his cloud account and put that stuff on a laptop Hunter never owned. And the more we learn the more it seems like Giuliani knew that and may have had an active role in setting it up.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm going to quibble with you about the public humoring Republicans as some sort of trade off, because I don't think that's it. I think the vast majority of the public just doesn't give a shit about Hunter or Joe Biden. Is Hunter being unfairly targeted for political prosecution? Who gives a shit? Probably, but I have my own bullshit to deal with. Hunter is well-connected and wealthy. He's not on my team. His troubles are not my troubles. If they find something and throw the book at him, OK. If they find nothing and he was put through hell because his dad was President, OK. Sucks to be that guy, I suppose.

Trump has done irreparable damage to America, and continues to attack our democracy and justice system. He is an existential threat to every American citizen. He belongs in prison, and I hope he dies behind bars while the world recovers from his reign of terror.

If that makes his buddies want to prosecute Hunter Biden as payback, that's what happens when assholes have power. I'm already not voting for those assholes. What else does anyone expect us to do? We're not storming the capitol building over the Bidens.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

Imagine how much shit would be found if any republican politician had their affairs laid bare and scrutinized as hard as they're scrutinizing Hunter. Or any Democrat, for that matter.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 year ago (2 children)

But why did it fall apart?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 year ago

Vox is the fucking worst with questions they pose and never answer.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

The answer is, they wouldn't immunize Hunter from future charges (if if Trump was elected) and Hunters lawyers were not going to accept a deal that didn't include that, because why the hell would they.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Well definitely not voting for Hunter...ANYWAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYs...whats everyone having for dinner?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For anyone wondering, the plea deal fell apart because the judge asked if the plea deal meant that Hunter couldn't be charged for related past crimes and the prosecutor said no while Hunter's attorney said yes. The judge didn't accept it because they had different understandings of the plea deal and they were not successful in renegotiating the deal.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

It was the other way around. Hunter's team believed it would prevent future charges and the prosecution did not.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

You said the same the as who you responded to

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

No it was the other way around. The prosecution believed it would not prevent future charges and Hunter’s team did.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago

YOU DONT SAY?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


And congressional Republicans have been hoping to connect Hunter’s money to corrupt conduct from Joe Biden, though they haven’t succeeded in proving any such thing yet.

In July, Weiss’s team presented their plea deal with Hunter before a judge — who refused to accept it, telling both sides to clarify some of its provisions after a dramatic public hearing.

Hunter had a messy divorce from his wife, who would later accuse him in a court filing of “spending extravagantly” on “drugs, alcohol, prostitutes, strip clubs, and gifts for women with whom he has sexual relations.” He began dating Beau’s widow Hallie, in what proved to be a tumultuous and ultimately short-lived relationship.

Many long probes into purported corruption end this way, with a false statement on a federal form — with something clear and written down, rather than something murky and hard to establish.

If the main reason is simply that, due to political pressure from Republicans and embarrassment over the IRS officials’ claims, Weiss’s team got cold feet on a deal they’d agreed to — that wouldn’t make them look so great.

If the main reason is instead that, due to confusion or incompetence on his team, he belatedly concluded the initial deal with Hunter had been far too generous — well, that wouldn’t make him look so great either.


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[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Willing to bet they’re hoping to use Hunter to find something on Biden that they can impeach for that’s completely unrelated to the case, a la Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

You know those scenes in a spy movie where the bad guys start torturing the hero, but he just takes it? Then they threaten the hero's family and he immediately concedes. "Joe, just announce that you won't seek a second term, and I'm sure we can find a pre-trial diversion program for Hunter."

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Prosecution should have kept the plea deal. They probably won't be able to secure an actual conviction because they don't have shit on Hunter Biden.

He used drugs and owned a gun? Ok...

He didn't pay $100k in taxes but then actually did go back and pay it? Ok...

Who the fuck goes to jail for that? Nobody.

On the other hand. Broadly gestures toward Trump family and associates

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

|Who the fuck goes to jail for that?

Black people, unless they get shot first.