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[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Even before the current political situation I wouldn't have bought a Tesla. They have a documented quality problem and not very good customer service at least outside of the US.

Why would I buy a car that is not only more likely than most to break but when it does break it's hard to get fixed. Spare parts are notoriously hard to get hold of and you usually have to deal with Tesla directly which is a problem because they don't have a lot of dealerships in the UK. Also they won't come to you, so if your car won't start you have to arrange a pickup.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They have terrible customer service in the US too. I think it's their business model: find people who enjoy being treated like an asshole and sell them overpriced shit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

So like Apple but more expensive

[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I used to like and look up to SpaceX for the interesting stuff that they build,

but nowadays i don't care anymore. The company can fail for all i care. Musk spoiled it.

The tipping point, for me personally, was when Musk seriously threatened to slash public spending in February this year. It shows a clear disrespect to the people, and frankly, a sociopathic attitude.

Musk had everything, lots of money, lots of fame, lots of influence, but he threw it all away when he decided to threaten the wellbeing and lifelyhood of a lot of people just so that rich assholes can make an extra buck through tax cuts.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 3 days ago (6 children)

SpaceX should be nationalized. We paid for it, it's ours.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I don't know why you didn't just fund NASA properly.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Government agencies can't bribe as good. Our politicians are whipped dogs who sell the free world for less than an F-150 a year in kickbacks.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

For those maybe blissfully ignorant of car culture that's an F-150 (the grocery getter for fragile egos) oversized pickup truck , and not some fighter jet.

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[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

Agreed. This system of giving out money and getting what we paid for sold back to us is fucking dumb.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago

Better super late than never.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

He's basically gutting NASA so it can be reduced to a taxpayer-funded corporate subsidy for greedy billionaires and giant corps. They're killing everyone's dreams and inspiration.

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[–] [email protected] 200 points 4 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (9 children)

USA could have spent money developing an electrified economy but the republicans are focusing on bringing back coal mining and reshoring shoe manufacturing instead.

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

ETA - what I mean is that China is rampaging on in electrification, developing manufacturing skills, infrastructure, and design/engineering/technology around renewables and electrification. Europe is thinking about it but not going crazy to the extent China is, because legacy - China doesn’t have 100 years of cars and 150 years of trains; they’re building new. USA meanwhile is actively regressing under Republican policies.

[–] jballs 55 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Which kind of blows my mind. Coal miners should love EVs. There was a story in the news a few years ago about how nice it was for the miners to help someone in an EV, as if they should be mortal enemies.

Non-EV cars don't run on coal, they run on gasoline. EVs on the other hand can run on coal, natural gas, solar, wind, you name it - and still are more energy efficient than cars burning gasoline. In a sane world, coal miners would be throwing their support behind electric vehicles. The utility companies seem to understand this, but seems like the support hasn't made its way up the supply chain.

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[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

Especially when you see some of the tech being rocked in Asian cities

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

This admin has set the USA back 100 years.

Again. They already enshrined "billionaires get all the money" in the one legislative victory of trumps first term.

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[–] [email protected] 70 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And in the US we just block foreign options because it is gov policy to artificially support specific corporations.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 4 days ago (2 children)

the country of free market capitalism...

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Oddly libertarians never acknowledge that market leaders ask for theses things. The biggest threat to the free market are capitalists themselves.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

American libertarianism is just a form of nationalism mixed with a strong dose of "don't nose into muh life"

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don't think that has ever been true, really. Nor should it be, Laissez Faire is a trainwreck waiting to happen, probably literally and figuratively.

Textbooks will tell you that the USA, and other countries like China and Russia, are a regulated "Market System" which in some markets teeters on strict Oligopoly.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Looking forward to Tesla reporting Q2 earnings next month. I assume another round of disastrous numbers paired up with some vaporware distraction. Perhaps they can keep this charade going, but at some point reality will catch up.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Just give Elon more of some new drug. /s

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Here in the UK Musk is just seen as an idiot. Some decent European EV solutions coming along but the Chinese cars are so much better value than Tesla OR the main European makes. Couldn't happen to a nicer megalomaniac and as a plus I love seeing the monthly SpaceX explosions

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Chinese electric cars are just better. BYD is what Tesla wanted to be, but actually fulfills its promises. Plus it isn't ran by a nazi dictator.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I uh.. you sure about that dictator thing? xi jinping enters the chat

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

If you think Xi Jinping is dictating what BYD does with their cars then you don't understand the fundamentals as to why China managed to attract so much foreign investment and got to where they are now in the first place.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Foreign investment was because of cheap labor and companies being subsidized by the communist government......

BYD might make a better car than Tesla, but saying that a Chinese company isn't "under the control of Xi Jinping", the guy who crushed Hong Kong for having too much independence and wants to do the same with Taiwan, is laughable.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

That's actually a bit of a myth you know. Labour in China used to be dirt cheap 30 years ago but that's not the case now. You need experts to build cars and they demand an appropriate salary. They probably don't get paid as much as they would in the west but they're not being paid pennies an hour either. However the idea that China is cheap has persisted.

There's a reason that Apple doesn't make the iPhone there anymore. It was getting too expensive ie they were being asked to pay for a decent wage, and they weren't prepared to.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago

Watch the RichRebuilds review of Chinese EVs. There is a lot of "make it look good" in their engineering, like massive painted brake calipers...that are a single piston. The cars probably aren't as quality as other EVs, but the prices, specs, and niche features are very compelling. I'd definitely consider one in the US. Anything that isn't a Tesla or a massive crossover would be great.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 3 days ago

Good, continue with the downward spiral.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 4 days ago (2 children)

as customers switch to Chinese EVs

Sure. That's the reason.

[–] [email protected] 78 points 4 days ago (13 children)

I don't think that's what they meant. I think they are just saying that people are still buying EVs, but they are just going to Chinese and other manufacturers instead of buying a Tesla. The article specifically calls out the stupid shit Elon has been doing.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 4 days ago

Which is important because about a year ago the headlines were saying EV sales were collapsing. In fact, it was just Tesla having less market share of new EVs sold because other manufacturers got off their ass.

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[–] [email protected] 42 points 4 days ago (50 children)

i hate musk, but i am not wild about our dependence on china either, so i am not really sure who to root for in this fight...

[–] [email protected] 102 points 4 days ago (24 children)

I would say go with whatever company that doesn't have a CEO throwing Nazi salutes.

[–] Ilovethebomb 39 points 4 days ago (15 children)

Yeah, the Chinese manufacturers are out to make money, and at least we know what to expect from them.

Besides, being profitable usually means making a better product than your competitors.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 4 days ago (9 children)

Root for better public transport and active cities instead of car dependency :)

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Did not zee this happening.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 4 days ago (9 children)

I own BYD and it is a great car. Very pleased with it.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Hitler was "incendiary" and "political" but I think there's a four-letter word so much better, so much more concise, that this wording is actual disinformation.

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