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[–] [email protected] 91 points 11 months ago (8 children)

i’m sure the free market will solve this. we just need to wait for a new company to pop up, make a new operating system, ensure windows programs are properly emulated, convince the majority of people and businesses to use it, and then use its new monopoly for good.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (10 children)

Free market ideas always sounded like cartoon level intelligence to me. Some kind of a perfect world where everyone acts morally and people are well informed and chooses the right companies etc.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 11 months ago

its really absurd. it becomes even stupider when considering that many of these assumptions allow mathematical models to be built on top of them, and then those models are treated with such importance and authority. but then they sometimes also get the math wrong. i remember learning a while back that part of the 2009 housing crash was caused by faulty mathematics laid ontop of these weird economic assumptions. the part im talking about is:

The paper, generally referred to as the Dahlem report, condemns a growing reliance over the past three decades on mathematical models that improperly assume markets and economies are inherently stable, and which disregard influences like differences in the way various economic players make decisions, revise their forecasting methods and are influenced by social factors.

the first part refers to a kind of "smoothness assumption", where they approximate the bumpy, jagged graph with a "smooth" curve that is easier to analyze. but it turned out the bumps were there for a reason. oops! the second part of the quote then says that in addition to the faulty smoothness assumption, there were quite a few important things the model flat out ignored

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (1 children)

It doesn't require people to act morally, it requires them to act according to their long term self interest, assuming they are... immortal. And we all know human beings are omniscient and immortal. So no problem. /s

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

2024 is the year of the linux desktop!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Linux with FUTURE WINE is your solution

future wine is just the future versions of wine, specifically the one that will be perfectly able to run windows programs

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

I mean operating systems are free to be entirely honest

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[–] [email protected] 76 points 11 months ago

MS screwing us with software. Apple screwing us with hardware upgrades. Linux out there taking all survivors

[–] [email protected] 57 points 11 months ago (1 children)

Now having Linux install in my machine, I don't have to deal with wins bs ever again. It's great that I made the right decision 5y ago

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 11 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You rockin' Hannah Montana Linux?

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[–] [email protected] 45 points 11 months ago (1 children)

High time for another antitrust, huh

[–] [email protected] 32 points 11 months ago (3 children)

That's the problem

  • they are making harder to change the default browser on windows, and broke workaround by chrome and firefox too.
  • they don't let you uninstall edge in easy way or without a third party software.
  • if you download another browser from edge they try to persuade you in to giving edge a try.
  • they are planning to set edge as the default browser on teams.
  • they don't give you an easy way to open with another browser the internet result from the windows search bar, they broke EdgeDeflector many times indeed.

And nobody is doing something about it!

[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The US government really doesn't give a shit, does it. Maybe the EU?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You know that's a fuck up situation when you need to hope that a government union will give a fuck about a tech giant throwing shit at their paying customers

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Well, there's at least some hope, looking at the whole USB-C situation, the DSA and the DMA.

So much happens everyday that is more than just technically illegal, law enforcement doesn't even know where to start.

One big thing for the GDPR right now is how many EU-US data transfers are violating the law, because they happen without user consent. If we're being as strict as we should be, EU websites aren't allowed to use Google Analytics, for example

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's sad, because Edge is actually a pretty good browser, but all this shit just makes everyone hate it.

Also, every Google page I visit gives me an annoying "Download Chrome now!" popup, so MS i guess is just using the same strategy Google used.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

Haven't installed fresh windows in a few years but I distinctly remember the past few times I installed Windows 10 I had the weirdest issues trying to download Firefox or chrome, like the webpage or download button was broke. I had to get my browser through ninite

[–] [email protected] 42 points 11 months ago (2 children)

“We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications

"""unintended"""?

How do you implement shit like this by mistake and push it out to be executed on people's computers by mistake?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago

The unintended part was people noticing and it making it into the news cycle, everything else was very clearly exhaustively planned and intended.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 11 months ago (1 children)

“I slipped and programmed a pop up. Whoopsiedaisy”

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 11 months ago (2 children)

That's because they're a malware company:

this has been going on in several different forms for years now so I’m just counting the days until the next annoying pop-up appears.

The solution is to not use their products. Use Linux.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago (8 children)

I would use Linux if my primary reasons for using a computer worked properly. Games are a lot better these days than it was and always improving so there is light at the end of the tunnel in that respect but Traktor DJ software not so much.

As far as I know the only alternative on Linux is mixxx and that was just no where near as good the last time I used it. Maybe it is time to try it again......

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

You can always contact Traktor and ask them to release a linux version.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 11 months ago

Well windows is malware OS so nothing new

[–] [email protected] 19 points 11 months ago (1 children)

The fact that Microsoft's constantly more aggressive use of their OS platform to artificially push their search and cloud platforms hasn't triggered multiple huge antitrust cases is a pretty dire indicator of how little regulators are willing or able to safeguard the public from monopolistic behavior by large tech companies.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (3 children)

If you're thinking of the EU, it's probably just the vogonlike bureaucracy, so in about the time that Windows 12 comes out, they'll be ready. Can't say it bothers me, if Microsoft is attempting to take marketshare from Google, though.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 months ago (3 children)

Not saying it's okay in any way but Google does this with Chrome all the time on Amy Google page

[–] [email protected] 18 points 11 months ago (9 children)

Guys, I keep reading this, but it's not the same thing. At all. You don't want to get Google's crap? You don't visit their crap websites. There are so many websites in this world to visit to avoid Google's crap. You just don't type anything with google on it in your address bar. The only way to avoid Microsoft's crap is to install another operating system in your desktop or laptop. It's just not the same thing. At all.
Microsoft should be forced to do what they have forced Google to do in Android. At least where I live, in EU. Ballon tips to have the option to use another browser and an option to disable Edge and all the crap asking all the time to use Edge. Like the android ballon tip and the option we have to at least disable Android Chrome.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

It's a lot easier to switch internet browsers than it is to switch operating systems.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (1 children)

But at least you don't pay chrome, with windows instead you need to pay a license to use it.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago (1 children)

need is an interesting word to use here

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago (4 children)

Using windows without a license is illegal.

This is like saying you don't need to have a driving license to drive a car because the car doesn't complain about it.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

Install Linux, problem solved

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[–] sugar_in_your_tea 6 points 11 months ago (1 children)

My work computer is macOS and I've never seen a recommendation to use Bing despite using a ton of Microsoft products for work.

My personal computers run Linux, and again, no MS spam.

So yeah, don't use Windows and you won't get MS spam. You should probably also use DuckDuckGo or another privacy-centric search engine.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (3 children)

It's Internet Explorer time all over again.

Isn't modern Edge chromium based? I'd understand using Edge back when it was using it's own technology, as much as I hate Microsoft internet browsers, it allowed for optimisations such as better battery life on laptops. But using chromium based Edge, I don't understand it at all. Who wants to use Microsoft flavoured chrome? Yuck.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 months ago

I think the "upsell" (Lord help me for calling it this) is that it integrates with Office365, or in a corporate environment, AD. So by provisioning it once you have every component interconnected. If you're used to Edge at home you will not be hesitant to want to use it at work. To say nothing about getting non-corporate home users into Bing and, ideally, Microsoft's OpenAI-ified Bing.

It's all very nasty work.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 months ago

When does it stop being "malware-like" and end up being just malware?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Slack successfully made Microsoft stop bundling Teams in Microsoft Office through an anti-competition complaint. I'm surprised Google lets them get away with abusing the Windows product as a platform for promoting a search engine. My best guess for why they don't is that the promotion isn't working.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 11 months ago (6 children)

I need to move my system to linux , however there is data on my system i need to backup, any way I can do that ?.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 months ago (1 children)

If you have a desktop, buy a second drive. You might even can use your Windows installation for apps with no (good) Linux alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

External, cloud storage, install Linux on a separate drive and move everything over.

The world is your oyster, man.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 months ago

i know at some point i'm going to have to switch to linux but i'm lazy and really, really don't want to

i give it like 3 years before i switch

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

Windows is a malware !

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


“We are aware of these reports and have paused this notification while we investigate and take appropriate action to address this unintended behavior,” says Caitlin Roulston, director of communications, in a statement to The Verge.

I wasn’t alone in thinking it was malware, with posts dating back three months showing Reddit users trying to figure out why they were seeing the pop-up.

Microsoft even had to backtrack on plans to force the Chrome default search to Bing for businesses installing its Office apps.

After all, Google runs similar notifications on its webpages to get people to use Chrome or it’s annoying YouTube premium spam.

That could be in the form of the price of a laptop that has a Windows OEM license baked in, or a product key if you built your own PC.

Windows is an important productivity tool for many people, and shouldn’t be treated like a cheap streaming box loaded with ads.


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