The battery connector is amazing, not a ribbon cable in sight!
this post was submitted on 18 Jun 2025
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Got a Framework 12 and have all sorts of tiny annoying but somewhat manageable problems with it.
It used to overheat and then throttle to 400 Mhz every few seconds on high load. Overheating meaning 100°C. After a long time being annoyed and thinking "did I do something wrong" I reached out to support, and eventually got a new motherboard. It's better since then, but it still gets hot quickly. Also, if I just idle, like maybe a few Browser tabs and that's it, it will get somewhat warm ~65°C and I just don't get it.
For some reason, it sometimes does not find my hard drive on boot. Works the second or third attempt, and is no software problem.
The light detection thing has to be disabled in software to be able to use the brightness buttons.
At the start, my wifi sucked really bad, just on this device.
Having some more ports than just the audio jack and the extension cards would be neat too.
Also, it was really expensive.
So yeah, I sadly wouldn't buy it again, I think. The concept is really neat, but I've had too many annoying little problems. I still do use it as my main computer, and it works reasonably well, is light and well transportable, works with my docking station easily, etc, but those issues are annoying.
I had a gaming laptop whose CPU jumped to 92C immediately on load, the vendor replaced the heatsink + copper wires to solve the problem, the cooling system might be problematic instead of the CPU / mobo
I had to double-take because I thought this was their 12th model. But no, they just suck at product versioning, like every other tech company.
The number only indicate the screen size. The other two laptop models are the Framework 13 and 16. The only thing that made it confusing for you was your assumptions, since it all seems pretty straightforward to me.
This naming scheme breaks down the moment they release another line of 12", 13", or 16" laptops. It's a bad naming scheme.
The whole point of making a easy to repair and upgrade laptop is that people wouldn't have to buy the latest model to get upgrades, they can just buy the parts they want to upgrade and swap them in their existing laptop and if the come up with a upgraded Framework 12, they can just add the year it comes out to the title
They wouldn't because they don't have the manufacturing capacity to dilute their product line like that. The whole concept of the Frameworks laptop is to keep as many parts as possible between generation so its always upgradeable between generation. We'll see how well they can stay on this course.
Yes i realised that after researching their product line. And there are currently 5 different 13's, and seemingly no easy way to differentiate revisions without listing the complete specs.
I just wish companies would make it easier to tell which of their products is newer/older.
Eg: 13" 2021, 16" 2022, etc..
Revisions don't really make sense for Framework in the same way as most other tech companies though, simply because of how upgradable and swappable the laptops are. My 13 probably has parts from two or three different "versions" at this point, and works like Lucky Charms.
I guess it doesn't really work in their case because they only update certain parts each time, while all other parts stay the same revision, so you do need to refer to the specs to know which model you're referring to.
I'm confused, do you have an example of a laptop that uses numbers for their model number iteration rather than their screen size or feature set?
No. Which is why I said they suck at versioning, like every other tech company.
When AMD???
I have been wanting one since these were released. My old Asus laptop from 2016 is still kicking, so I guess I'll wait till it craps the bed.
Same with my 2017 Thinkpad.
If they release one with a TrackPoint and mouse buttons, I'll upgrade early.
Same; I simply can't use a laptop without mouse buttons.
I have a Macbook Pro at work, and I honestly hate it, largely for this reason. Mouse button rock, and TrackPoint is good enough that I largely don't use the trackpad. My workflow is very keyboard-centric, so it's a really good fit.
Give me the same workflow and I'll become a Framework customer. Otherwise, I'll probably still get one, but only once my laptop is no longer functional.
I e got an i3 one of these on order and should turn up next month. I need to buy RAM and an SSD, but I think it'll end up around £750 all in. Will replace my 11yo MacBook Air 11 inch. Mac OS just went in the wrong direction under Cook.
Makes me sad that I know exactly what you mean, this new glass shit has me nervously eying the Linux door.
Linux Desktop has only got better in recent years. I made the switch to Ubuntu ~5 years back and have the opposite problem now - switching back to Windows/macOS can be a buggy pain.
Proprietary apps are still a pain for switching, but helped that most of the main ones (office) have capable web variants.
Why's that? Never used apple devices myself, but I'm under the assumption that redesign is generally favored
So at one point Macs were the developer laptop. They gave a nice desktop experience but with UNIX underneath that was very close to the Linux servers you'd deploy on to.
The direction of travel has been to bring the UI closer and closer to touch devices, often at the detriment to the developer experience (IMO). Snow Leopard / Lion was Mac OS at it's best. Once we left the cats behind it started going wrong.
Intel has become Arm - moving things further from those deployment servers. I've come to the realisation that I actually need x86 Linux adjacency more than anything else and nothing does that better than x86 Linux.
Can you give some examples on how they're making it worse for developers? I've never used Mac OS before, so I got no clue what's different about it.
I just want an electric car that can do exactly this.
Modular components on an option of 3 frames. Reparable to a degree. Bare bones functionality. Physical buttons, no screens. Open source software. Upgrade not the whole car, but components as you go. Literally what video games taught us.
If I had Mark Cuban money, it's the first thing I would do.
The Slate truck looks interesting and is exactly what you describe. Time will tell if it pans out.
It's not quite what I'm saying, but it's a starting point. It also isn't really a thing yet. They're expected to be available in 2027, so with EV incentives being eliminated, the now $27,500 basic model is already 30%+ more expensive before even appearing IRL.
I have a bike I put together with this mindset and it's pretty awesome. If any component dies I can replace it individually, even if it's not made by the same company. No reason an electric car couldn't have the same benefits except that the average consumer doesn't care about planning ahead
Do you have any resources or documentation of your build? It sounds like a cool project.
I think that has more to do with safety laws and emission standards than anything else. How can you properly crash test a fully modular car?
I'd love it if cars were more repairable, but modular would be a really tough design problem.
Heck, you NEED a screen in the US on any car due to backup cameras being mandatory. If you need a screen, I can see why companies would just use it for the infotainment system.
Yes and no. There's a YT video of some guy fixing anything on any car. The catch is that for components for easy things are getting harder and harder to reach. I always used to change my oil myself because it takes 20 minutes and I know the filter got replaced. Harder and harder to do every car I have. So even basic maintenance I can't do myself anymore.
Modular components could be workable in terms of you pick frame 1, 2, or 3 with batteries. Then you pick wheels/motors packs A, B, or C. Then you pick more and more options. If you own the A and C options, it's a 45 minute swap out with a system that confirms things are plugged in right. Not every configuration would work together. Toyota uses a lot of interchangeable parts between cars. I mean do this with a whole back end or front end. So like 5 swappable zones that work in maybe 15 possible configurations per frame.
Maybe you want a battle wagon. And want to grow out of that to a pickup. Or start with compact car and expand to a compact SUV.
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The heatsink comes away just as smoothly if you’re looking to reapply thermal paste down the road.
Not that you ever should, since it has PTM7958 which should never need to be replaced, and gets better with age.
Thanks for the thermal pad tip fuckwit_mcbumcrumble !
Now that’s a username I can trust.
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