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Trump deploys National Guard after second day of Los Angeles immigration protests | CNN (edition.cnn.com)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Oh no worries. Trump is such a fan of insurrections he hands out pardons by the thousands for them - every single pardon personally signed by him, and totally not by autopen, I'm sure.

Seriously, though. Can't wait for him to cry victim and pull a surprised pikachu when all this pushback to his antagonization makes it to the steps of the White House. Hope he keeps the surprised face until the bitter end, and that end can't come soon enough.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago (2 children)

I’m afraid he’ll declare martial law. What happens if he does?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

There would probably be no consequences for him, but the "martial law" would probably be ignored and not happen.

As I understand it, in the US, martial law can only legally happen if the courts are unable to function. Basically, if things are so bad courts are unable to judge people, you let the military judge them.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 8 hours ago

Zero consequences, as usual.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

I'm not actually surprised that the second american civil war starts in California. Cali always seemed like the most progressive state.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

This is nothing really. If people wanted war they would have strategy. It's just pissed off people, not people with a plan.

Watching the riot over the past few hours it looks like it's just bored people with mob mentality.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago

Progressive as in Pride-themed anti-homeless boulder

[–] [email protected] 23 points 14 hours ago

Repeat after me: A government that is bluntly sending weapon to bomb kids have no concern of it is own citizen.

Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere. We are caught in an inescapable network of mutuality, tied in a single garment of destiny. Whatever affects one directly, affects all indirectly.

[–] [email protected] 125 points 20 hours ago (5 children)

I just want to take a moment to say the “Biden was no better than Trump” crowd can go fuck themselves.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 12 hours ago

How about "America has always been a shit show, and Trump is the parody version"?

[–] [email protected] 18 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

These things are always so annoying and uncritical. They are not wrong that the democrats are a conservative party, but that is still where the current progressive movement lives.

I think there is a bit of a trap in seeing the maga rise as a monolith, but I think there are two main wings. The evangelical side and the libertarian side. They might have some overlap, but their motivations and goals are still rather distinct. The important take away for this short essay of sorts is that they have agreed on enough points to move the overton window to get large parts of what they want. For the evangelicals it is abortion bans and ten commandments in schools. In the libertarian wing it is DOGE (inspired by the libertarian president in argentina)

Tankies and others who say “Biden was no better than Trump” are really messing up our ability to have a leftist/progressive party. In either growing it with-in the dems or starting from scratch. I want to understand what they are saying, but it is frustrating how unserious they are in actually achieving goals.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 20 hours ago

No no, you see, voting for Biden would be voting for this too, somehow. Because they are part of the same system, or something? Both sides same and all that.

Honestly the mental gymnastics are too much for me to effectively work out into a distilled comment.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

And so it begins.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

yup. next stop: martial law.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Probably the most likely scenario - do ppl remember during COVID & BLM how parts of Portland were reclaimed for a time? There were lots of spontaneous mini-riots all over the place but Trump didn’t declare martial law. Will he this time? Will these protests spread? Is Trump gonna way over react this early, setting off more and more protests?? Is this the start?

[–] [email protected] 97 points 22 hours ago

These people are protesting against extrajudicial deportation, deporting children, harassing legal immigrants, the Nazi government, etc.

It's not a fucking immigration protest. They didn't deploy the military for immigration protests. People spoke out against Nazis and the military was called in.

[–] [email protected] 60 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

If you don't own a gun, its time to get one, regardless of your stance on them. This is martial law without having to call it that.

https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/06/department-of-defense-security-for-the-protection-of-department-of-homeland-security-functions/

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

There is no challenging the military as the citizenry. This is terrible advice.

What we should be doing is encouraging insubordination by service members. Why the fuck would you agree to use military force against your fellow Americans, on American soil? Not only is that unconstitutional, it's simply not what you signed up for. Say no

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

Most states have a token State Guard that answers only to their governor, not the federal government. If Trump keeps this shit up, states are going to start disbanding their National Guard units, and shifting them into State control.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) (1 children)

Except Trunp federalized the California state force, bypassing Newsome, that’s a pretty big problem. Newsome is suing Trunp. In the meantime - violence on citizens by cops and Trunp-allied forces continues.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

Except Trunp federalized the California state force

No, he did not. He federalized the California National guard. The State Guard is a lesser-known organization that answers solely to the Governor. They cannot be federalized. Which is why we're probably going to be seeing states putting more of their resources into their State Guards and less into their National Guard units.

As for the CA National Guard: Article I, Section 8, Clause 16. The State retains the sole authority to appoint the officers of the Militia.

10 USC 246. The National Guard is the Militia.

Newsom has the authority to appoint the officers of the National Guard. Revoking the appointments of the Commissioned and Non-Commissioned officers of the California National Guard, he effectively disbands the organization.

Trump has no authority to override Newsom's authority here.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, and most of South America would disagree with you.

Anyway. GovCo can't win anyway. Not even in open hot war. They don't have the numbers.

Military and Natl Guard combined are less than 3,000,000 people. And that includes the logistics that makes it all work. They couldn't handle Afghanistan and its <50,000,000 people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

You overestimate how willing people are to throw their bodies at the problem. Things have to be so bad that they expect to die anyway. Otherwise, your militia sign-ups will be limited to only those most brave, ideological, or stupid.

You also underestimate how much more effective military training and ordinances are among the US military vs militias. If they really wanted to mow down civilians, it would be fish in a barrel, even if everyone in the militia is armed.

This is why the hope is that US service men are committed to the constitution and not to Drumpf's orders. It's a thin hope.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (1 children)

They're committed to the paycheck. Don't be naive. Do you think American soldiers are uniquely unable to carry out atrocities? That sweet salty buttery baby jesus is gonna reach down, touch their hearts and make them defy orders? I'll refer you to uh, the last 25 years of action in the middle east.

This empire is dying live on TV. And all of them so far have ended bloody. We won't be the exception.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

I did say it was a thin hope (well I said 'thing' but I've corrected it now).

But I think you give your service men too little credit. Even the police. How many fatalities or even serious injuries have actually occurred during protest activities? These a generally not people who want to kill anyone, particularly not their American brothers and sisters. But when one side dehumanizes the other, all bets are off. If things actually become life threatening, then everything changes. Kill or be killed.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I'm happy to be surprised. But I have set my expectations appropriately low.

I expect some inciting event over the summer. Someone gets killed by the feds and those protests really do turn into real riots. Then the clown prince will escalate. Open war by Christmas.

Like I said. I'm happy to be proven wrong. I would be delighted to be proven wrong. Maybe we'll luck out and he'll have a stroke mid ramble or maybe some general will shoot the bastard during his military parade. But I don't think we're that lucky.

Another possible is a general strike. That Union leader they black bagged earlier this week. He hasn't been released yet. If they try to deport him on some trumped up bullshit that's gonna have an apocalyptic backlash from basically every union except the police union.

[–] [email protected] 131 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Funny how he doesn't hesitate here, but when Congress was literally in danger of being fucking lynched on Jan 6, he didn't do shit.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 10 hours ago

Only because Republicans despise California and Californians with all of their being.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 21 hours ago

2000 Guardsmen. For a city of 3 million. And a governor who doesn't want them there. Sure. Good luck with that.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 22 hours ago

Shit MAGA creating their version of Tiananmen Square. I guarantee the fucking CCP and Russians are smiling.

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