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[–] [email protected] 3 points 18 hours ago

Instead of tying this a certain income level, why not just make universal instead? That way instead of spending resources on seeing someone is eligible for basic income, the Government can use it investigate fraudulent cases.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I could scrape by with $16k a year, even in a high cost of living area. I'd have to get a roommate or find other creative living arrangements, and sacrifice a lot of my current life's comfortable trappings, but I could do it.

My main question is, should it be one minimum income across Canada, or adjusted by municipality through its own metric or using the military stipend rate as a baseline?

Carney wants to talk a big talk on efficiencies. Streamlining welfare to achieve the basic goals of: is an individual's health needs met, is an individual's housing needs met, is an individual's basic expenses needs met, would likely reduce a lot of the duplicitous services that oversee small segments of people's needs.

I know MP Leah Gazan would be happy to see this come to the House of Commons. If it does I'll let my local MP know I support it.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I think adjusting by municipality is a bad idea.

A flat basic income across the country promotes migration to lower COL areas. An adjusted basic income promotes migration to higher COL areas in order to get a bigger income. While different areas having different COLs is pretty unavoidable, I don't think making high-COL areas more attractive is a good idea.

I'm also not a huge fan of adjusting for couples vs. single people. I get why they do it, it's an easy way to save money. But the actual expenses of you living with a roommate (as you suggested) compared to you living with a roommate that you're also sleeping with, don't change very much. (I have similar complaints about household income being used for basically everything except taxes, but that's a little further off topic.)

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ironically, I think that the positive impact of UBI is probably well enhanced by various free-market processes. There's the cost of living balance you mention, but it also makes it easier for market forces to affect wages. When people don't literally have to work simply to survive, it gives them the option to say "no, this job sucks, I'm walking away from it" much more easily. That means that employers will need to be more attentive to their employees' needs if they want to keep them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

That means that employers will need to be more attentive to their employees' needs if they want to keep them.

Or that they'll lobby even harder to expand TFW slavery.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If they had that sort of lobbying power I doubt we'd see UBI to begin with. Regardless, "evil people might thwart it!" Is not a very good reason not to try to do good things.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Regardless, "evil people might thwart it!" Is not a very good reason not to try to do good things.

It wasn't my intention to suggest that we shouldn't try it.

I was merely (and cynically) pointing out the forces who will be pushing against the efforts to do some good for society.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 days ago (3 children)

This is pointless without support services to help marginalized people get a solid footing to rebuild their lives.

[–] Voroxpete 19 points 2 days ago

Cool. So let's get this passed, and then work on those other things.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

It's not pointless it's just significantly less effective.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Well that surely won’t happen in Ontario with the fascist narcissistic Ford running things. He is a soulless excuse for a human being for what he is doing to thousand of young/adult disabled people. It is a page right out of the fascist handbook.

Ford has literally gutted ODSP and his abhorrent handling of the Ontario Autism Program (OAP) is disgraceful and hurtful. They combined Ontario works and ODSP. One noticed immediately a difference. The workers treated ODSP recipients like they were Ontario works recipients. They sent out job search forms, etc. to people that were permanently disabled and incapable of working and humiliating them (ask most disabled people, they will say one of their dreams is to actually go out and work so to have these forms sent to them is literally a slap in the face) because these workers were never trained on how to deal with the disabled only people that were unemployed.

We can no longer email our local ODSP office, no more one on one workers, you are tossed into a pool and they rarely call back if ever. We had to actually get a lawyer involved just to contact the ODSP office to get anything done after 6 months of us calling with no call back in that 6 months.

Things ODSP used to cover, gone. Our child has autism and epilepsy. He has never ever had any form official therapy, guidance of any kind due to Doug Ford and gang. We were “approved” for OAP and SSAH almost 3 years ago but are still on the waiting list to actually get funding.

Our case is not unique, there are literally 1000’s of Autistic kids/adults that are not getting ANY therapy that they need to exist and communicate in society. This will lead to more violent altercations with police due to limited communication skills due to lack of therapy and more hospital visits plus more that will by carried by taxpayers down the road for years if not decades. Guess Ford does not care about down the road while he and his gang fill their pockets. We are very grateful for all that we receive. We do not expect anything. The Ford government promised OAP, SSAH and more but have not held true to that promise. Doug Ford is fully responsible for not helping thousands of his fellow Canadians that are disabled kids and adults and leaving them in the lurch.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good Lord you need to learn formatting.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago