It’s also insane we have gotten to a place with TV shows were 7 episodes a season is wild. We went from 22 a season. Down to 12-13 for game of thrones. And now we are at 7. There has to be more time flushing things out and getting an audience behind all these characters and becoming emotionally invested into the show. You can’t do that with 7 episodes that are roughly around 45 minutes
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Total run time of this entire season of LOU is the same run time as lord of the rings: the fellowship of the ring extended version lolol
It's not just a straight-up hours game though. You can't just put it all together and claim it's one thing. There's a flow to these things. Individual episodes need to have their own arcs. Each episode has to tell its own story. Or at least a coherent piece of the story. I mean you can't just chop a movie up into pieces and call it a good television show. It wouldn't work. So pure hours don't actually mean much.
I’m well aware of this. But the pacing of the last of us seasons feel like a sprint to the finish.
The two year gap becoming standard is particularly rough, especially because it often ends up being three years
Yep I lose interest in so many shows that way
alot of shows started doing this, and then the actors got too old(ISAIP,spn) and everyone forgot about the series, and then quality went down as well too.
and not as bad as orville, 6 years for 3 seasons, and 4th season may not even materialize, because its always in a limbo. one of the leads of orville(the palacki in rosenbaums podcast) said it was insane and too unaffordable to wait that long per season.
and then the fabled AOT which was almost 10years for 4seasons.
22 episodes, much of it slop. Shorter runs are more interesting.
Sure sometimes, but seven?
22 more time to fleshout arcs without rushing. you cant do that with 7, some cuts have to be made.
I mean sure, but game of thrones episodes were like an hour plus long, and older tv shows like 30 minutes with 2 commercial breaks.
Korean Dramas tend to be 12-16 in length. Apple seems to mostly hold out at 10.
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Sadly, without Pedro, the weight of this show is left on Bella’s shoulders. They’re a strong actor, but Ellie has not been written well this season. I hate to say that, as I have been a Craig Mazin fan ever since Chernobyl.
It was made all too clear when we got the flashback episode with Joel. Everything felt right again. And I’m not saying that because Joel was back. But because Pedro and Bella are THAT good together.
I think that the flashbacks should have been spread throughout the season so we never lost Joel’s voice in our ear, and we could keep seeing those sad eyes of his. It would have covered the multitude of sins we’ve seen in the pacing of this second season.
This is the best suggestion I've heard for this season's Ellie problem. I don't know how people who haven't played the game feel about this season, but Ellie's drive for being in Seattle in the first place has felt wildly inconsistent. It's like she's flipping a switch on and off, whereas game Ellie is constantly, noticeably pensive, processing, simmering with growing rage. And it's so important to the rest of the story that I honestly wonder if they'll be able to save it at this point.
Maybe more Joel was exactly what they needed to keep things on track, keep Ellie's focus. Because I sure wasn't feeling it.
I think that the flashbacks should have been spread throughout the season so we never lost Joel’s voice in our ear, and we could keep seeing those sad eyes of his. It would have covered the multitude of sins we’ve seen in the pacing of this second season.
I tough that was what they were to do. Like having each episode advance the flashback plot line a little so we don't miss Joel from all season until birthday's flashback.
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Well, when you remove one of the fan favorites....🤷♂️. Also, the second season has been very dramatic and emotional, some good writing there, but it is slowing turning into the soap opera drama effect that Walking Dead suffered from after season one. Little monsters, more drama = soap opera.
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What tripped me up in the last few episodes was how characters magically teleport to places and appear at the exact time they’re needed. I get that some of them happen exactly as in the game, but it’s weird in live action. Examples: Ellie getting out of the basement and Abby finding them in the theater.
Also, that segue on the Scar island in the last episode was weird. I get that they were trying to show she was given a chance at life yet she decides to continue on due to her obsession with revenge, but they could’ve done it better than that (i.e. She sees the explosions on the island from afar, the boat capsizes, she manages to get back on with a slight regret and hesitation to continue, looks at the shore of where she came from contemplating to go back, then ultimately decides to continue on to the aquarium).
I mean, you can tell they had to rush, just look at that scene in the finale here where Ellie capsizes, is almost hung and gutted and then sets off again on her revenge quest in the span of ~~5 minutes~~. Actually, make that 3 minutes, I just timed it. I guess it was a way to get us, the viewers, to guess that ~~WLC~~ WLF was attacking their village?
I guess it was a way to get us, the viewers, to guess that WLC was attacking their village?
Yeah, which was a weird way to do it. They could’ve just showed a quick scene of Isaac and co. storming the island then Ellie seeing some explosions from the boat.
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Pedro and Bella had good chemistry. Bella without Pedro? Not so much most of the time. Which is really frustrating because occasionally Bella shows a flash of brilliance and you’re like “OK, she can act.” But too many times Isabela has had to carry the scenes it feels like.
And Abby… I know they have said she doesn’t need to be physically jacked for the TV show, but I’m sorry, I am not really buying it. No offense to the actress they did choose, just not working in this particular role for me at all.
Having said all that, I am still basically enjoying Season 2? A lot of it is really well done, TBH. Just suffering from some unfortunate character dynamics that I think have disappointed a lot of viewers more than me apparently.
The obvious of the fan favorite. But also, the show comes off as a lot more YA than the game since they went with a more flippant immature attitude developing their romance instead of the more serious, driven attitude from the game.
They should have made Ellie take Joel's role and Dina take Ellie's role.
I didn't hate it. But they had a template.
I don't mind changes. But it should serve a purpose. Fewer zombies makes sense to me. It's not a video game, the suspension of disbelief is different. I like a seeing clickers basically equate to somebody probably dying. Bill made a ton of sense for a TV show.
But changing Tommy's role, Ellie's entire personality, their relationship, it made everything worse.
This season made it very clear that Bella was a bad casting decision.
She was, but im not sure who would have been better.
And as I type that, I still think her girlfriend this season would have been better casting for her. As would Abby.
The Abby actress should have been Ellie from the start. She is a dead ringer for her. I understand they tried to rectify that by making her Abby instead, but that almost makes it worse as it is so obvious to anyone who has played the game that the wrong person is playing Ellie.
I fucking love s1, I've got art from it in my house and everything. Pedro and Bella just worked as a pairing and I loved them. I chose not to watch s2 cos I hate the plot of the 2nd game, it's not credible to me and it's pure misery.
From what others have said, Craig has taken a lot of the misery out which I get. People are unlikely to tune into relentless misery. However the character choices don't make sense without it. Plus pedro is HUGE and a load of people were watching it for Joel and Ellie.
Not surprised viewing is suffering
Let's remember the second game was not received as well due to the story. Everything else about the game got better but that story. Well after episode 7, I can honestly say they could have done worse.
No, no, the second game wasn't received well because right wingers didn't like the lesbians or the butch lady, and so it was heavily review bombed.
You can argue some people had legitimate criticisms, as they will, this is always how the confusion circus goes, but you cannot separate this game's release from the anti-sjw hate campaign that was built around it.
The Last of Us Part II has some fan-tastic story beats that I will defend to death.
Can't help but think the show has flubbed some of them though. Like revealing why Abby hates Joel so early on.
Seriously, that switch over in the game was such a trip. I think they really missed out having that.
The whole concept of being the villain in someone else's story is such a good one.
And then ask you get online is "butch lady bad", or that Joel wouldn't trust them. Conveniently forgetting he trusted Henry and Sam in the first game. If Henry wasn't a good guy, Joel's story would have been a lot shorter.
I was a bit disappointed when I saw Abby in the show version. I was hoping for some serious Cherlize Theron level body change in the show between flashback Abby and current Abby. I figured that'd be the hardest casting in the series, and instead they just... didn't. It was supposed to be this swole vs. survivor battle between Ellie and Abby, and instead... i think Bella could take her, honestly.
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The story has good moments, and I loved the game play.
But the motivation for both Ellie and Abby has always been the weakest point for me. And that translated into the show. Both being driven by essentially only vengeance left me with a lot to desire. I didn't particularly like the periods where I had to play as Abby because I didn't think she had anything exciting to make me like her.
Without that initial drive the rest felt like it didn't have a good foundation. Especially when the first had so much driving Joel and Ellie to reach the fireflies.
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the second game was not received well by the vocal neckbeards.
I feel like that was an engineered perception based in a vocal group of idiots, TBH. I played the second game at launch and it rocked me to my core. The story was strong in my opinion.
Yeah the same idiots that thought Abby having muscles meant she was the trans character
Egads, I was unaware that was as thing too. That's even stupider!
Personally, I haven't watched the second season because I haven't played the second game yet. Though, in all honesty, if I haven't played it by now, I'm likely not going to play it any time soon, so I should probably just watch the show.
I would recommend playing the game first or ditch the rest of the series altogether. Certain important moments need to be felt really hard and the series is just not delivering that. I played the game twice actually and it still works. It's a bit long though.
The gap was too long. Again and again.
Part to blame for those stats. Watched S1 but not S2, and I don't know if I will. I loosely remember the plot and names of the characters. Lost all interest and I don't want to invest my time on a series that may or may not have an ending, or if I'm alive by then.
I'm also part of the drop because hbo decided they were going to drastically reduce the quality of my streams while maintaining the same price. I went ahead and canceled my subscription.
Oof
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