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[–] [email protected] 170 points 4 days ago (5 children)

I am sorry, as a an outsider looking in on the US, when I read that title, I burst out laughing out of pure disbelief, I mean holy shit, this is absolute insane.

Not on the judge's part, but that this is actually needed.

I knew it was going to be bad when Trump won the second term, I realized it was going to be worse when I understood how much power was about to be given him, I had no idea he was actually going to dismantle law and order.

This is madness.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 4 days ago

Nobody would disagree. The problem is here though, and it needs to be dealt. At least these people intend to do something about it.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (1 children)

It sounds like the prequel to Snow Crash.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I mean, high speed food delivery is already an exceptionally common, and dangerous, line of pick-up work.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah, but even in Snowcrash Hiro was still an actual employee.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 4 days ago

It sounds like that of a typical response to a school shooting; anything but addressing the core issue. Let's put Kevlar on the judges...

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

So what happens if the thugs in the DoJ clash with this judicial security? Are they prepared to turn their weapons on the DoJ officers? If not, then this is only to protect judges from stochastic terrorism at the hands of tRump supporters. Dark passages up ahead, I fear.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

If they aren't ready to put down fascist jackboots they aren't gonna be able to do the job.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary, regardless of what these assclowns are trying to cosplay.

The Judiciary is equal to Executive and Congress. That's just a fucking fact. A Federal Judges ruling has the same weight as any bullshit Executive Order Trump can crap out on paper.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

The only fact that matters is whose orders are the cops going to enforce.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago

That seems to matter little to this regime. So, I ask again, what happens when they clash? We saw them stage a situation and try to arrest sitting members of congress and a mayor. In a sane world, you are correct. We don't live in that world so subordination doesn't matter!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The DOJ is subordinate to the Judiciary

Maybe crack open a book on US government or read an encyclopedia article: Department of Justice is department of the executive branch. Historically, they started out as the federal government's attorneys/prosecutors.

The judicial branch only has the federal courts, its judges, its administrators.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Those are only facts if someone enforces it at the business end of a weapon.

[–] [email protected] 96 points 4 days ago

If judges are being threatened by POTUS they need to issue an arrest warrant.

Deputize a citizens milita and arrest him.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

They should. Some minimal physical protection may be needed to meet, consider, decide and publish a decision (nothing more) if things get really bad.

If they can modify the US Marshals service get independence from the DoJ, that seems reasonable.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

They still need Congress to fund it which seems unlikely.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I have recently started to learn how to use a firearm, because it feels like that the US is headed for a 2nd Civil War. Hopefully the money and time spent on that turns out to be a silly reaction...but if asked, I will serve the Free States, be it as a soldier or court marshal. Trump and the GOP is a tremendous threat to me and the other innocents of America.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

You would best serve the "Free States" by helping and protecting your family, friends, and community of like-thinking associates- firearms may be required.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Can't recommend a shotgun enough.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

VR80. Semi-automatic 12 gauge, with magazines. If you live in a state like California, you can treat it as something like a split or lever action, which allows you to release the magazines. I figure semi-auto would be needed if combat becomes a thing, especially if drones start delivering pain. Shotguns are one of the more common options for anti-drone defense in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 4 days ago (4 children)

Isn’t that what US Marshals are? Or do they mean specifically one not under control of the DOJ?

[–] [email protected] 66 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Proposal would move security under judges’ control as justice department has vowed loyalty to president

It's in the description... So yes, one under the control of the Judiciary, not the Executive.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 4 days ago

Ah, thank you. Yeah, that makes sense. Good move.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

Yes.

It is entirely possible at this point that the Marshalls could be ordered to arrest a Trump admin lawyer, who has been deemed being in criminal contempt of court, or some other LE official that's been found to have committed a crime...

And then this person could then be defended by the Secret Service, or the other members of whichever armed LE group under the Executive branch...

We already have unnamed DOGE, ICE, DHS goons going around basically doing the reverse.

At somepoint, we could actually get an armed standoff or confrontation between two different groups of armed, federal personnel.

Its very uh... early 90s Russia, if you ask me.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago)

The second once, since the attorney general is a fascist.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

As they should be scared. They are currently dismantling the United States… did they not think there would be ramifications?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Honestly, I have the impression that they don't. The 1% already won the game of life, but they insist on doubling down and gambling the nation for...line go up?

The wealthy are addicts without restraint.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

I'm sure there are a lot of court cases i don't hear about but they seem to be siding with the constitution most of the time.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Which threats? The ones from the POTUS?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

Sure seems like they should start holding his administration accountable, right? RIGHT?

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Everything is fine. We're completely fucked.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago

Wasn't that the US marshals?

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 19 points 4 days ago (2 children)
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[–] throwawayacc0430 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

I think the US is in need of 3 capitals like in South Africa, one for each branch of government.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (11 children)

I was thinking that maybe the US could use three presidents - West, East, and Center, each heading up a major chunk of territory. SCOTUS could be expanded to have 50 justices, each state appointing a single justice to represent them on the supreme court. The presidents each could select a single head justice, whose job is to communicate the viewpoint of the executives, and to write up the conclusions that SCOTUS factions have reached.

That sort of thing should help maintain the intention of the Constitution, where branches - or rather, interests, constantly jockey against each other, thus being equal. The problem with our current politics is that too much power has been concentrated into the hands of too few people, essentially destroying the balance of branches.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Yeah I'm starting to think that a triumvirate is the way to go for the office of the president. Let's have a head of state, a head of government, and a head of _____ idk. But the job is too intense for one individual and we need an escape hatch while also having stability. So we could impeach the head of state but keep the head of government so shit still gets done during that transition.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

That's been tried in a certain republic of the past, but the idea is fine generally.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

1000016460

EDIT: for the non-historians among us, this was Ernst Röhm, head of the Nazi Brownshirts (SA), a paramilitary organization used to primarily cause havoc amongst the population and competing political parties, but also in charge of protection details for high ranking NSDAP officials, later replaced by the SS when Hitler had him murdered due to lack of trust.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Fun fact: historians call Hitler's purge of Ernst Röhm and other brownshirts "The Night of the Long Knives". Ironically enough, Hitler used that expression in a post-purge speech in which he claimed that Röhm had himself been planning a night of the long knives assassination of Hitler and other Nazi leaders. Quite unintentionally, the expression came to be used to describe Hitler's actions.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago

Nah, we need politicians to be able to feel fear, imo. If they never have to think "will this come back to haunt me?" then that's going to enable a lot of awful shit.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 4 days ago (2 children)

This needs to happen!!! The start of the rebels

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