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[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago

This feels like it was drawn in one of those $200 drawing tablets

[–] [email protected] 12 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

People get hilariously upset when you point out that sucking absolute arse at something is not a class issue nor a disability.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Isn't it? A physically disabled person might suck absolute arse at walking, I suck absolute arse at drawing. I will never get good at it, either - I went through 9 years of art class in school and in 9th grade my drawings weren't much better than 1st. Might as well consider it a mental disability at this point. Okay, technically I DO have a mental disability, it's called ADHD, and it makes learning some skills so difficult I wonder how anyone can do these things, while others are a breeze to the point where I wonder how other people don't manage as easily as I do. Yes, I see the irony.

For a while, I've wanted to make a few video games. I've actually got three in mind. I'd like to make one 3D game, one fast-paced side-scrolling platformer and one tiled top-down game. For each, I have a vision of how to make them fun (hopefully) and differentiate from a lot of existing games. But I can't do it because I have no art skills and I can't afford to pay an artist for the sheer amount of work it would take to produce all the assets for a full game. I am also not going to approach someone and say "Heeeeeeey wanna put in a bunch of work for nothing but a share in the proceeds from a game that may never make 20 bucks?" So my best bet, really, is to focus on either of the 2D games, have AI help me out with the art (which may well be quite difficult if I want to keep a consistent style) and then on the 0.000000001% chance that it's commercially successful, I can commission art for the next game, or on the 0.00000000000000000001% chance that it's very successful, hire a full time artist or two.

Note that I haven't done it, but it's something I've considered.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago (2 children)
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[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

I love Reddit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

I love solar lamp.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago (3 children)

It's not about accessibility moneywise - it's accessibility skillwise. Many people do not want to put any effort into learning a new skill, so asking AI to do it for them is just way more convenient and "accessible".

This is part of a large shift in society where "failure" is seen as something extremely negative. You either do something and are immediately good at it, or you should just stop altogether.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago

You either do something and are immediately good at it, or you should just stop altogether.

I bet this line speaks to a lot of fellow lemmings who are middle aged nerds with ADHD and were “gifted” in school.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 2 hours ago

Many people do not want to put any effort into learning a new skill, so asking AI to do it for them is just way more convenient and “accessible”.

...and then they flood the internet with their garbage zero-effort slop.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (2 children)

I agree with the first part, but I think the second part is unsubstantiated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago

I agree with you. I don't think it's failure so much as this unwillingness to accept I can't do something. We have generations of people who want it and want it now, and AI scratches the itch in that regard. I say this as a millennial, I'm 37, and it's certainly true of my generation, and I find it to be true of all the generations after me.

I don't know if it's good or bad. I certainly know why I think it's bad, the whole delayed gratification, entitlement, etc., but I'm sure access to information, ability to express ideas, and whatnot, are good things too.

And I'll just indicate I have a personal anti-AI bias. Maybe I'm too lazy to use it, maybe I have some other rationale in my subconscious, but that's where I come from.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

I don't think it is - but there are no studies to confirm that either afaik.

[–] [email protected] -4 points 4 hours ago

Wow. Luddites got together and made a whole sub to bitch about technology.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 10 hours ago

The main thing here is that image generation trough an llm doesn’t even count as creating.

Asking is not creating. In these systems people ask an llm to use a genai tool, the people never actually touch the tool themselves. (They wont even allow it lol)

Thats why ComfyUi with stable diffusion and not chatgpt is the standard for serious art work using ai.

They are fully open source, offline and they don’t require any more energy then playing a video game.

Also workflows look like this, more accessible means a different set of skills can now get you similar results. But it is still skill.

you indeed dont need to know how to hold a pencil to build that.

(Also there are more and more models exclusively trained with artist consent)

So yes, ai does make art more accessible to a small group of technical people. Most people know no one in this group.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I think it seems to usually be more about disabled people, who ai bros tend to consider either too stupid or physically unable to make real art, which is bullshit. There are amputees painting with their feet, who knows how many artists who have prosthetic hands or chronic pain. And don't even get me started on mentally disabled people.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I'm sure all disabled people love hearing "Oh this other disabled guy showed extraordinary willpower and overcame his disability against all odds why can't you"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 hours ago

Gotta say, most disabled people i know - myself included - would happily hold AI underwater until the bubbles stop

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

The game Katawa Shoujo, which was actually made by a cooperation between people who were on 4chan, depicts amputees and disabled folk, one of which is an artist which draws with her feet, with many of them having traumatic experiences that you hear of as you get to know of them more personally

It's good. I like it.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

There's someone close to me whose near entire existence is basically pain. They still draw.

They hate the idea that their works got sucked by billionaires into giant plagiarism machines that are enriching them further. Pro AI people and tech bros think they should just suck it up and start using fucking AI horde or something, despite the fact that this trend makes them sick and the proposed solutions don't tackle real issues, but spread or ignore them.

One of my main gripes with GenAI is the tech industry's usual disregard for consent. GenAI users saying we should get rid of it altogether doesn't endear their ideal future to me. Saying the same thing as Sam Altman, but totally in a leftist way, just grosses me out.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

$30 a month so far, will be a lot more if their plan of forcing artists out works out.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

What they mean by that is that they have no artistic ability and no interest in learning anything about how to actually make art, they just want a product to spec for free.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The part I hate most is the "$800 phone" part. At least get a proper PC where you've got a fighting chance at being able to create stuff instead of a smartphone/tablet with an interface designed purely to consume, damn it!

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

I can do some pixelart on my S23 Ultra, and even sketch some ideas down in work.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I never spent any money on AI. Use locally run open source models.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Doesn't that require a load of computer power? My computer could start a house fire opening a PDF.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

no. probably less power than to boil a cup of water

[–] WoodScientist 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

I've always been sketchy about the energy requirements argument. It's not like artists don't take a lot of energy to create their work. If you hire someone to spend all day making a painting for you, you're may be talking a day's worth of first world-level energy consumption.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 hour ago

Sure but that person doesn't stop existing if you don't hire them. A GPU would otherwise consume no energy.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Depends on your hardware (such as your graphics card). But it's definitely possible and a lot of people do it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Devils advocate here. There's open source services that offers AI gen for free, as long as you have an internet connection.

So a potato phone could be used and that's all that's required.

-# Doesn't make it more accessible than actual pen and paper but the gap is not that big either

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I would argue that 'free' just means the cost is hidden and you might end up paying it anyway through the societal effects that the energy demands of LLMs cause. That is, there's a cost and it will make it back to you somehow or other because that's how tech oligarchy works.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 11 hours ago

Llms arent the same ai as image gen though.

Your thinking of ChatGPT like services.

StableDiffusion on al old laptop will take less energy then a modern game, maybe slightly more then a digital painting software.

Its also fully open source and offline, you can check the code if you want.

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[–] [email protected] 81 points 2 days ago (60 children)

It makes it more accessible to the lazy and talentless.

[–] WoodScientist 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

IDK. I don't like AI for commercial applications. But for frivolous things? That's it's critical application. I'm not taking food from the mouth of any artist if I post some AI meme image I generate onto a social media site. There is no universe where I'm paying an actual professional artist to make meme images for me to post to social media. I'll sometimes use AI slop, but only in slopworthy applications. Screwing around on fediverse and other sites is such a slopworthy application.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 15 minutes ago

I feel like this is what people don't see.

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