UK Politics

Conservatism itself is dead.

Whats left is Oligarchic, Authoritarian, Ultra-Capitalist, and in some extreme cases, overt Fascism and Nazism, wearing the skin of Conservatism, because many of these ideologies cant survive society on their own, so they need a Trojan horse to slip by the societal filters to survive.

The Tory party purge during Brexit doomed them. All the heavyweights were booted out and there was nothing credible left.

They are utterly fucked and it's glorious.

I've been letting reformers have their victory day, but the reality of those local election results isn't a massive blow to labour, oh it's a blow, but they had hardly any seats in those councils to begin with. The tories lost about the same amount that reform gained. Also, good day for the lib dems too. Reform keep saying they'll win the next GE. I'm not so sure, but I think we can all agree they are going to end up with more seats than the tories.

Aka what everyone has been saying for years now.

Going after reform voters is a waste of time, every time the conservatives try to one-up farage he can just come up with increasingly more radical "policies", after all he's never actually going to have to implement any of them so who cares about reality and practicality.

The sort of people who vote reform are the sort of people who aren't exactly politically sophisticated, otherwise they would realise that farage is selling them manure. They are therefore never going to change their minds.

Meanwhile the conservatives are alienating undecided voters with their obsession with hard right politics which by definition are unlikely to appeal to centralists.

This is the level of political insight that a child would be capable of it's utterly pathetic the conservatives can't work this out on their own.

Justine Greening is peddling the same line as Rory Stewart and all the others - the Tory government was perfect up until Johnson/Truss/Sunak ruined everything. Never mind that Cameron was responsible for austerity and Brexit, and May came up with the hostile environment policy that caused the Windrush scandal. Those are just sensible Tory statesmen and totally weren't pandering to the far right.

Centrists? You mean Starmer's 'far-right'?

Politics is generally dead like it was in the late seventies. Anarchy was the rising trend as was rubbish in the streets.

Every leader, and I use that word very loosely, of the Tories since 1990 has tried to be the next Mrs Thatcher. There is no next Mrs Thatcher. That time has passed.

That normal people can be labelled by two-tier as far right shows how weak the centre of politics has become.

We have another Blair, an old fashioned Tory leading the Labour party who doesn't believe in anything but a version of 'Tax and Spend' that doesn't involve spending on anything useful. This time he doesn't have a wife who needs a career in human rights law. Let's just hope Trump or his successor doesn't start a war to boost public opinion.

We have a service industry country when services are going AI. Welcome back to real jobs that people do: the trades, manufacturing, making things you can see. It's going to take a couple of decades and a lot of teeth gnashing.

I was listening to an interview by one of Reform’s strategists who categorically ruled out working with the Tories, or forming a coalition. They are extremely confident that the Tories are finished. Given their abysmal track record on things like immigration, I don’t see how they could ever win back voters.