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"Libs only vote and think that's enough! You're required to murder people to join the club!"
Indeed voting isn't enough. The "centre" is France defends the police killing arabs and throwing grenades at crowd, the "left wing" in USA supported the genocide. If you think that's enough you're probably well off from a first world country
"you can't vote fascists out of office
votes Fascists out of office
"Well uh still not good enough!"
Germany is closer than ever to a second fascist takeover, with the ruling CDU actively trying to normalize the AfD, and the latter now leading the polls, by far the highest they've ever been. They've also doubled their vote in the last election. So yes, antifascists did not win here
Nor are they antifascist by any means. In fact they love to put antifascists on watch lists, and cry in the media about the dangers of the radical left while ignoring years of nazis organizing to murder minorities.
He is making good relations with Russia. That's probably why
Yeah remember when we all banded together and peacefully voted hitler and mussolini out?
If Hitler hadn't been in office, do you imagine nothing would be different? Like they'd pluck that rabble-rousing failed artist off the street when Hindenburg died?
If Hillary had won, The Idiot would just be some fuckin' guy. The same loudmouthed punchline he'd always been. The election was the only thing that gave him power - so not electing him would have stopped his atrocities.
When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin' guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
If Harris had won, The Idiot would still be some fuckin' guy. He couldn't disappear people to foreign countries, from his couch.
Elections matter. Elections work. Elections are step one. If you just don't put fascists in power, fascists tend not to have power. If you're dumb enough to do it anyway - we did in fact peacefully vote out The Idiot. Remember? Biden won. By the skin of his teeth, thanks to our batshit stupid electoral system. Despite every effort to prevent, lie about, and then ignore the results. American democracy was strong enough that this liberal-bashing jibe actually happened - once.
When Biden was in, The Idiot was right back to being some fuckin’ guy. He got arrested. He was being federally prosecuted. He was facing unpardonable state charges. The election was the only thing keeping his fat ass out of jail.
Jesus Christ, for as often as libs compare Trump to Hitler i'm actually shocked at how little they actually know about that similarity.
Strawman.
Imagine if Trump had actually been sent to prison and had time and opportunity to write his own Mein Kampf.
He didn't write his own autobiography.
What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? 'He'd grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?' We've all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. 'If we'd sent him to prison he'd be more powerful?' He's in the god damn white house.
We live in the worst-case scenario. No shit our institutions are not guaranteed to prevent what already happened, but could you stop pretending that means, whatever happened was inevitable? A system failing is a historic event. They tend to do the thing they're for.
I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying 'preventing this could not have prevented this.'
What hypothetical outcome are you even proposing? ‘He’d grow his influence through stirring rhetoric?’ We’ve all been exposed to his tweets; he sounds drunk. ‘If we’d sent him to prison he’d be more powerful?’ He’s in the god damn white house.
No, I'm saying it's a little silly to parade around trump losing an election and nearly going to prison as the system 'working' against a direct comparison of Hitler, who literally had both of those things happen to him too.
A political system defined by the breakdown of democracy and rule of law isn't going to be stopped by democracy or rule of law. You have to look beyond those systems to understand why they failed, and I rarely see liberals acknowledge anything other than electoralism as being involved in the growth of fascist movements.
I cannot comprehend the fatalism in saying ‘preventing this could not have prevented this.’
Is this the strawman you were looking for? If preventing this doesn't prevent this, then preventing it didn't really prevent it, no? Lol, honestly, you can't stop fascism with voting any more than you can stop a mugger by yelling 'you can't do that!' at them. It's literally a failure of democratic systems and law in order that's supported by a populist movement. You have to address the populist element, otherwise all you've done is lit a fire and walked away.
This is the same fatalism over and over. You don't even recognize the tense of saying, "could."
"Preventing this doesn’t prevent this" is what you are saying. You start from the assumption every democracy has failed, and then assert, there is no possible way a not-yet-failed democracy could protect itself. Like nothing was ever real except for this very moment.
No bud, I'm saying it works until it doesnt, and you're counting on voters to do the work of rooting out fascism when their representatives aren't doing anything to fix the problems that caused it.
It's not fatalism, it's holding accountable those with actual power to do something, because otherwise it isnt going to be enough to just vote.