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[–] [email protected] 180 points 1 week ago (11 children)

Americans will do anything to avoid just using trains.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (2 children)

While I don't necessarily disagree with you, trains are used here all the time specifically for long haul stuff.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Rail is used in the US. We just don't have as much rail infustructure so they can only get so far. If the port/factory/wearhouse aren't connect by rail then they'll have to use trucks for at least part of the transit.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I used to be the shipping/receiving guy in a warehouse, it fell to me to arrange all of our freight pickups, which was annoying because I didn't really have direct access to any information about pricing, deadlines, etc. so I was constantly going back to the office to show someone quotes to see whether the rates and transit times were acceptable.

Most of our freight was LTL stuff (less than truckload, a couple pallets, not enough to fill a truck by itself) but a few times every month or two we'd get full truckload sized orders.

When it came to them, often "intermodal" shipping had much better rates. Intermodal meaning at least 2 different forms of transportation were going to be used. Truck, train, boat, cargo plane, etc.

As a US-based company with mostly US-based customers, that usually meant rail for us.

However, almost none of our shipments went intermodal because it was too slow for our customers.

It wasn't usually a drastic difference, we're talking maybe 1-3 extra days in most cases. Over the Road (OTR) there weren't many places in the US that we couldn't get freight to from our location in 5 days or less, and those 5 day locations were mostly real middle-of-nowhere customers on the other side of the country.

It always blew my mind that we didn't or couldn't push our customers to just place orders 2 or 3 days earlier to save some pretty significant money on shipping.

I don't claim to know much about the industry, i was just some kid who needed a job and ended up the shipping guy because I knew how to use a computer and spoke English. But we a textile company that made things like work clothes (chef coats, scrubs, industrial work wear, etc) and restaurant table linens, and we sold mostly to bigger wholesalers, business service companies, etc. who would resell it or provide it to their customers as part some sort of contracted laundry service or something, so not really something I'd think of as being particularly time-sensitive or wildly unpredictable that they couldn't anticipate their bigger orders a couple days ahead of time

Guess it probably says something about how much we all love instant gratification.

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[–] [email protected] 50 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Except that nearly all US rail is for freight. We hate PASSENGER trains. We freaking love freight rail.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

And semi rigs (which are the topic of this post) are....personal transport?

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But american freight trains are laughably bad too

https://youtu.be/AJ2keSJzYyY

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Yes, but "we will avoid trains no matter what" is blatantly false. It's terrible, but it is our main method of shipping freight from ports to inland cities.

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[–] [email protected] 105 points 1 week ago (15 children)

Why not make automated trains with their own dedicated right of way?

[–] [email protected] 75 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But that would require investment in infrastructure...

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (7 children)

Bet that semi trucks are more expensive due to road damage and congestion alone.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

*** everyone but the lobbyists liked that ***

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[–] jballs 63 points 1 week ago (5 children)

As of Thursday, the company’s self-driving tech has completed over 1,200 miles without a human in the truck.

That's not an impressive number. That's like 2 days' worth of driving.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Yeah that's about 2 and a half round-trips between Dallas and Houston, that's...not a lot to be calling this thing ready to go and pulling out the safety drivers.

I wonder how these handle accidents, traffic stops, bad lane markings from road construction, mechanical failure, bad weather (heavy rain making it difficult/impossible to see lane markings), etc.

You'd think they would be keeping the safety drivers in place for at least 6+ months of regular long-haul drives and upwards of 100k miles to cover all bases.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago

That figure is without a human in the truck, not with a safety driver. I.E, they've done a bunch of testing beforehand.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Great... I can't wait to be hit by one of those on my motorcycle

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I'd actually bet they're safer than some tweaked out dude on his 20th hour at the wheel.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (10 children)

Same. Our government can't even figure out a way for us to trigger a green light so I'm not confident that any self-driving vehicle regulations will consider us either.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago (3 children)

What an incredibly infuriating waste of effort that would be so much better spent on trains, driverless or otherwise.

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[–] ThePantser 24 points 1 week ago (5 children)

And how do they handle a person slowing down in front of them and hijacking them? At least a human might be able to navigate away aggressively but I think the programming would prevent as much harm as possible.

This new lawless future and we may need to raid corpo lords.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (8 children)

I can't really imagine people wanting to hijack a truck that's basically a giant camera and tracking system.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 days ago

Bring lots of aluminum foil to wrap it in.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago

I've seen plenty of youtube videos to know people are dumb enough to try this.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 week ago

But, do they speak English?

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Even in a hypothetical best-case scenario world, unless you have a driver on board any malfunction and you're delayed 2-8 hours because there wasn't a person in there to repair anything

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