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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Are compromised private keys that big of a problem to cause all this headache?

Geez.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This will keep getting shorter until it turns into a calculus problem.

You won't even get a certificate, just a token from some SSL token warehouse. Why should I trust it? Because some random company says so!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Lol, wouldn't put it past them. Like TLS session keys we have now, but every session key has to be requested from the SSL token warehouse.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

There are lots of companies and vendors that don't automate cert renewal. They are all going to be forced into automation with this change.

The concern is that a compromised device could leak a cert that is then used for attacks.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

The concern is that a compromised device could leak a cert that is then used for attacks.

Yeah. Everyone gets that.

The question was whether this is worth the damage seen in the wild thus far.

And I'm curious too: show me how it's not some market trying to FUD and FOMO us into yet more rigamarole for the sake of security and also sales. Security is rich in "better safe than sorry" snake oil.

Are we trading certs lasting 'too' long, a problem that may not yet exist, for a much harder problem of properly securing the renewal chain?

Are we going to have very secure keys but on code with 181 sploits in the supply chain, that we neither know about nor can fix because of rug-pulled compatibility if we did?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You can still use self signed certs. You just can't use it on the public internet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 weeks ago

You can, but it might scare off some of your audience.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 weeks ago

Let's encrypt is about to get even more market share. Suddenly companies will have even less reasons to pay money for a cert.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

God I hate this, dropping it to one year is fine but a month and a half? Fuck that shit.

Id you can use acme/cert boy it's fine. But some of us have to manage decades old equipment that doesn't support it and no we can't just put a reverse proxy in front we tried.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 weeks ago

Complaining about job security, unbelievable... 🙃

[–] scottmeme 8 points 2 weeks ago

And I'm over here with a internal only SSL cert that's good for 1000 years

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 weeks ago

We could be heading into daily (or hourly) cert auto-renewals. Clients will have to catch up. But one day, can see it all being hands-free.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

What a pain in the ass. I will probably just disable HTTPS and use a VPN or SSH tunnel for my stuff then.

[–] gravitas_deficiency 7 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Jesus, dude… ACME is not hard to set up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

Setting up a VPN is far far more complex

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 weeks ago

Just use auto-renewal tools Duh.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 weeks ago

This raises a good point. The path of least resistant typically becomes the norm.