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[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Really wish talking about what shrimp see didn't remind me that in farming them females have one eye removed to promote breeding

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eyestalk_ablation

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

I am eternally gratefull the practice is forbidden in Europe in organic cultivation. It's one of the small wins that fly under the radar. It's still a long way to people choosing for organic, awareness is the start of every change.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

Technically, all the colors are fake. They're just the halucinations of a brain trying to understand the input from sensory organs.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago) (2 children)

That doesn't make them fake, in the same way that x can mean 2. You are merely representing a given value (in this case light within a certain electromagnetic spectrum) in a useful way.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

But is my red the same as your red? Hmmm?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago

I hadn't thought about it that way.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No, colors are real. And you see them.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Pink isn't real. There is no wavelength of light that is pink.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

Its bright red, maybe toward purple! Brown is dark orange.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 6 hours ago

Light frequencies between blue and red don't exist.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 8 hours ago

I don't think of it as drama so much as docucomedy.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Imagine how OP their colour perception would be if they did have that mental processing power

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Oh that explains this scene

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

But compared with human eyesight, they could still see more 'colors' - As we see (almost) the same white in incandescent bulbs as LEDs and fluorescents, they might actually see the component colors and their intensities.

Not unlike how we may hear a combination tone when multiple other tones are played, and hear the difference (or sum) of them.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

How would you suggest they do that. White light near equally activates our 3 cones because all spectrums of light are in it.

White light near equally activates all 12 shrimp cones because all spectrums of light are in it.

Which spectrum of color is left out of white light that wouldn't light up a cone associated with it?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago

6500k vs 5000k is noticeable for humans

[–] [email protected] 24 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I need to use wherewithal more in my daily life

[–] [email protected] 9 points 11 hours ago

Every lunar month, when there is a full moon, i try quitting caffeine

werewithdrawal

(I initially misread you comment)

[–] [email protected] 8 points 17 hours ago

I wish I had the wherewithal to use it more often.

[–] pelespirit 43 points 1 day ago (3 children)

How did they test if they could see color? Did they make little shrimp dioramas or something?

[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago

They asked them politely

[–] [email protected] 28 points 23 hours ago

The easiest way is to use the principles of conditioning. Pair a stimulus with a certain color light, then start flashing up different colored lights. If the organism is cued to the stimulus by multiple colors of lights, it means that they can't really distinguish between them.

That's how we tested when kids lose the ability to distinguish certain phonemes.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 23 hours ago

My whole world is crumbling

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The shrimp are holier than we are because they cannot see the devil's color (it's pink 🩷)

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago

ITT: people saying pink (light red) when they mean magenta

[–] Panamalt 22 points 23 hours ago

That is clearly embarrassed white

[–] [email protected] 128 points 1 day ago (15 children)

The way mantis shrimp see is nonetheless super cool and interesting. They likely have no conception of 2D color at all, and can only sense the 12 different colors in general. Furthermore, only the midband of their eyes see color, when the eyes are moving and scanning for prey, they don't see color at all, which probably helps offload mental load for their small brains. Once they do see something, they then stop moving their eyes to determine the color of what they're looking at.

Also, mantis shrimp have 6 more photoreceptors in addition to the 12 colored ones, to detect polarized light. They likely see them the same way that they see color, so they probably don't consider them anything different than wavelength which is what we interpret as color.

Ed Yong's An Immense World has a section on this and I'd highly recommend it. The ways animals sense and perceive the world are often so different for ours and it's so fascinating.

[–] [email protected] 66 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

For anyone wondering why they would need to see polarized light: I actually looked into this a few months ago!

Other animals that are trying to blend in with the environment often use countershading appear less conspicuous. The problem with this is that this method can't replicate the polarization of the light behind them, making them stand out if you can see that sort of thing. ((Sunlight in the ocean is always polarized based on the direction of the sun (look up fresnel equations for s and p polarized light))). Even transparent creatures will interrupt the polarization in some way, so this is a very useful skill to have.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 13 hours ago

More specifically, polarization changes with the angle of reflection of the surface towards the detector / eye / camera, so every bump in the surface gets a color gradient different from the surroundings when seen by a polarization sensitive eye

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[–] captain_aggravated 50 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Reminds me a little of CD digital audio. The original Red Book audio standard hasn't really been improved upon because it's uncompressed audio which covers basically all of the range of human hearing within the capabilities of any speaker we could build. It's uncompressed because in the early 80's when the tech hit the market, it was completely unfeasible to include the CPU and RAM needed to decompress audio in real time.

Shrimp has more color receptors because he doesn't have enough neurons to run trichromacy, so he sees in EGA.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Shrimp has more color receptors because he doesn’t have enough neurons to run trichromacy, so he sees in EGA.

love this. nice job :)

VGA vs EGA, from the game 'Police Quest 3'

[–] jballs 18 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

I remember experiencing the EGA to VGA graphics evolution when I was growing up. I remember thinking the VGA almost seemed too real.

In my mind, this was a game that felt like it was pretend:

But this felt entirely too real:

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Have you played The Crimson Diamond? EGA is back, baby!

[–] jballs 1 points 12 hours ago

If you love the old murder mystery games like the Laura Bow Mystery Series, you will enjoy this game

Oh man, I had completely forgotten about the old Laura Bow games! Might have to check this out!

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