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Move the Overton Window (lemmy.blahaj.zone)
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[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I tell people that Bernie is a centrist and his policies are the bare minimum of acceptable compromises that should accept, but what we really should do is abolish billionaires and turn every company into a worker's co-op

[–] [email protected] 7 points 14 hours ago

least socialist post on lemmy

[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Sorry to bring the news but…the rest of the world have been calling US Democrats right-wing and Republicans far-right for decades.

My dad used to joke that the US is the country of freedom, where you can choose between the right and the right.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The right does this and it seems to work for them.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

"I'm not a Republican, I'm a centralist." (Proceeds to list pro-republican things, bash Democrats, then talk about how weed is okay.)

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Thinking gay people have human rights cancels out thinking black people don't!

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's what I'm doing for a long time now, but I just learned about the Overton Window haha.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 14 hours ago

Top tier username btw

[–] merc 72 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm not just a centrist, I'm a conservative! I agree with Adam Smith, the father of Capitalism.

For instance, I agree with him that monopolies must be regulated or they will corrupt the government:

It is to sell the one as dear, and to buy the other as cheap as possible, and consequently to exclude, as much as possible, all rivals from the particular market where they keep their shop. The genius of the administration, therefore, so far as concerns the trade of the company, is the same as that of the direc- tion. It tends to make government subservient to the interest of monopoly, and consequently to stunt the natural growth of some parts, at least, of the surplus produce of the country, to what is barely sufficient for answering the demand of the company

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They will employ the whole authority of government, and pervert the administration of Justice, in order to harass and ruin those who interfere with them in any branch of commerce, which by means of agents, either concealed, or at least not pub- licly avowed, they may choose to carry on.

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I also agree with him that landlords are parasites and need to be heavily taxed:

As soon as the land of any country has all become private property, the landlords, like all other men, love to reap where they never sowed and demand a rent even for its natural produce.

A tax upon ground-rents would not raise the rents of houses. It would fall altogether upon the owner of the ground-rent, who acts always as a monopolist, and exacts the greatest rent which can be got for the use of his ground.

If you call yourself a captalist but don't even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Nooooo, you're supposed to quote something about "the invisible hand of the market" without context!

[–] [email protected] -1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

If you call yourself a captalist but don’t even believe in what Adam Smith said, are you really even a capitalist?

i'm a capitalist, but only to the extent that capitalism is the most effective mechanism of meeting the needs of a market. I think it's fundamentally impossible to run an economic system in any way that is more optimized to the needs of it's consumers than you can under capitalism, and that's what i like about it.

It's also true that there are some self regulating effects on the market. But that's more complicated.

Though, just because i believe the market handles itself in most cases, doesn't mean i believe it requires no regulation. That would be preposterous. I don't want pure unregulated capitalism, but i don't want socialism/communism either, i want both. Both is good.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've noticed women on bumble do this. Put moderate as their political affiliation, and list black lives matter and LGBTQ+ and such as their causes. Before this post I would think "elected moderates aren't doing anything for your causes at best," but my perspective as I swipe left on them anyway is a little different now

[–] [email protected] 2 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago)

My friend in her 30s avoids dating apps because on those apps, either the guy calls himself a centralist and then wants a trad wife and a woman to know her place, or he calls himself not politically active and only listens to Joe Rogan for the discussions nobody else talks about.

Where my single male friends who are good dudes are afraid every woman is just a OF influencer.

I feel sorry for the dating scene.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

that's a left leaning moderate position. A far left position would be some shit like straight communism/socialism

The moderate left is more liberal in essence.

[–] [email protected] 330 points 1 day ago (11 children)

As a moderate conservative, I would like to see the end of private land ownership in a stateless, moneyless society.

[–] [email protected] 226 points 1 day ago (8 children)

As a moderate conservative, I believe in ownership and democracy. Therefore the people who work at a company should own it and have an equal vote in how it is run.

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[–] [email protected] 187 points 1 day ago (9 children)

As a hard line right winger I believe we should aim for a world where all forms of work can provide a dignified living

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

this is basically what everybody believes, and what everybody should unite on, the problem is that the right is currently enraptured by what can only be described as the "most elaborate con in history" as opposed to actual politics. The left is a complete clusterfuck of bullshit and idiots, but that's another story for another day.

This is what would be considered a "traditionally right view of politics" and if that's where your politics align, great for you. Take advantage of that as much as possible, however, avoid the modern american right as much as you physically can. They are a bastardized version of that flavor of right wing politics. They offer nothing, and don't even espouse traditional right wing views.

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[–] WoodScientist 81 points 1 day ago (23 children)

I'm a centrist. I think we should have a maximum wealth cap set at 1000x the median household income. I am willing to do this via tax policy instead of the guillotine.

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[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 day ago (7 children)

"I don't care what everyone else says, there's no need to execute the wealthy en masse. Workers just need to seize the means of production."

[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago

there is no means of production in services based economy, so unless you're willing to go through total economic collapse, and rebuilding through all of that, to some extent globally, that'll be quite the journey. And you'll find it to be the answer to the question of "why hasn't anything happened yet"

It's because people like being able to buy things lmao. Maybe if this admin causes a depression of sorts, but i'm not confident on that being the case, it's certainly a realistic possibility, but it doesn't seem to be imminent right now.

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[–] merc 32 points 1 day ago

"There's no place for the state in the bedrooms of the nation"

When Pierre Trudeau said that in the 1960s, it was a thing that many conservatives believed. Who'd think it was possible that in 2025 we'd be wanting the conservatives to be like the conservatives from the 1960s.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Or abandon the political labeling system entirely and make it socially outdated by learning to confront someone labeling themselves by responding to them with something along the lines of: "Why would you allow someone else to tell you what it is you believe in? You don't get to decide what being a conservative/liberal means. Someone else decides that. You aren't part of it. So why would you let whoever that is tell you what you should think?"

Change the meaning of what it means to even use the labels and the weapon of using the labels to divide us no longer functions.

It has been dismantled, and they will have to come up with something else.

And just because they will eventually invent a new weapon, does not make it pointless. This is just the never ending metaphorical arms race we are all living in, but it gets easier once you see it for what it is.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Because the labels are used for a shortcut to understanding. I really don’t want to spend ten minutes laying the ground work to have a discussion only to find out i am talking to a neocon.

Seems like a waste of time.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

Sorry but this is dumb. I am the one who decides if a label applies to me or not. I won't call myself an anarchist because my beliefs are not described by this word. I will call myself a communist because it describes what I think is true, even if I need to specify ("I'm a communist but...").

There's no one telling me what I believe in, and if a label changes meaning over time or my views change and it no longer applies to my thinking I will just stop using it.

It's the same when you use any other word to describe yourself. "I'm a musician" until I stop playing. "I'm not a painter" until I pick up a brush. "I'm long haired" until I cut my hair.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 13 hours ago

“Why would you allow someone else to tell you what it is you believe in? You don’t get to decide what being a conservative/liberal means. Someone else decides that. You aren’t part of it. So why would you let whoever that is tell you what you should think?”

the short answer is because the agree with it.

The better question is asking them whether they want to agree with something someone else said once, or whether or not they want to have their own belief foundation, their own principle system, and their own way to derive an answer to a problem.

The problem with modern day politics is that nobody, almost nobody is willing to engage critically with the problems at hand, to determine a real, functional solution to the problem, or at least, the best possible solution they can come up with. Everybody is perfectly fine and content with saying whatever the funny man on the screen tells them, and that's the end of the story.

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[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (8 children)

I've been doing that for years. I've been claiming to be a conservative and supporting things like universal healthcare. I even give it capitalist flair by saying that ensuring everyone has more money means I can then take that money by selling them shit they don't need. How the hell am I supposed to sell my useless crap if everyone's spending their money on rent?!

Ditto with stuff like housing the unhoused. I don't want filthy drug addicts strewn about the streets taking up my park benches and constantly asking me for 'bus money'! Get them houses so I don't have to see them anymore! Also god I hate kids, especially when they're just hanging around on the street being annoying and intimidating. Build some youth centres so they have somewhere to go and get them away from me!

Altruism through selfishness etc etc etc.

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