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Summary

Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez condemned Donald Trump and Elon Musk at a packed Arizona rally, accusing them of harming working-class Americans and promoting oligarchy.

Sanders denounced corporate CEOs as “major criminals” exploiting workers, while Ocasio-Cortez called for stronger Democratic leadership.

Rallygoers urged Ocasio-Cortez to challenge Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer after he supported a Republican funding bill.

The rally, part of Sanders' “Stop Oligarchy” tour, follows criticism of the Democratic Party’s weak response to Trump’s agenda and features further events in Colorado and Arizona.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I was there. It was awesome seeing so many people. I prefer Mutualism over Democratic Socialism, but like AOC said there, "no matter if you disagree with me on a few things, if you are willing to fight for someone you don’t know, you are welcome here."

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I've even been telling my friend group that now's not the year to criticize tankies so long as they're fighting fascists

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'll oppose authoritarianism no matter what the flavor is.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago

Sure, and absolutely, but like, threat assessment

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Been watching an Infographics Show video on YouTube about Mao Tse Tung's horrible consequences, but the thing was that he resembled Trump MUCH MORE than he did Bernie.

[–] [email protected] 62 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I really hope this "AOC takes over the Democratic Party and saves America" arc has a happy ending

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

She's a young, outspoken woman of color. Old white people would never let it happen, even if half are in a nursing home mainlining Fox News straight into their frontal cortex and can barely walk on their own.

A lot of folk are still recovering from Obama being elected twice.

At least Bernie looks familiar to them, so the hatred will be tampered.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Actually the groups that swung the election for Trump were young men (HUGE swing), and immigrants (despite voting against their own interests and pulling the ladder up behind them for future immigration).

Senior men were more likely to vote for Kamala than young men.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

We gotta figure out how to De-Tate people

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (8 children)

The powers and process screwed over Bernie in 2016. It would have unquestionably been a clear victory over orange circus clown. He would have been one of the greatest leaders in the 21st century. Now he's too old, even though the fire is still in him. But we do know now that America hates women, especially of colour, for leaders. AOC wouldn't have a chance until a huge social upheaval to change such attitudes and core hatred has occurred, possibly the Civil War 2/WW3.

Just like how past world wars created the world we live in today. Before WW1, before men of all social classes bled together in the trenches of Europe it was quite a different attitude regarding the rights of people and classes compared to after the event. The schools of fascism and communism was very enticing to populations after such a wanton and colossal loss of life by poor leadership on the battlefields.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago (3 children)

I unfortunately have to agree with you. With how the Harris election results went, i don't think people are ready for a woman president, let alone a brown one. The median American is too stupid, racist, and sexist.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago

I think this is not the right conclusion to draw from Harris and Clinton lost to Trump. They were both right-center Dems with lots of anti-left positions. Clinton voted to attack Iraq even though we all knew there were no WMDs and had been a polarizing figure for decades, she was not a good candidate. Neither was Harris, she was corporate, didn't condemn the genocide in Israel, and courted the Cheney vote. That isn't how to get the left to turn out. Neither had a good platform. Mitt Romney lost and so did John McCain and John Kerry I don't hear anyone condemning Mormons or veterans being losing classes of candidates.

A principled woman who isn't a corporate shill or pro-genocide is completely different. Our system is broken, pretending a little adjusting of the regulations or pretending the other side is acting in good faith and being gracious is clearly a losing strategy.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Maybe, people also didn't want a neolib candidate who had no populist appeal. She didn't acknowledge legitimate grievances of the voters. The Democrat party should've held primaries, but they just put Harris in at the end. There's many factors beyond sexism.

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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (4 children)

This is some actual leadership looks like. It's not something that commes around every 4 years around election time trying to triangulate a voting block.

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[–] [email protected] 125 points 3 days ago (47 children)

I wish you Americans would deal with this crap before I end up getting drafted to defend my country from the orange porcine dementia patient.

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (33 children)

Seriously. One of the most conservative old guys at my running club yesterday said, and I quote, “someone needs to kill Donald Trump and Elon Musk.” And I live in Alberta.

We are absolutely done with the US’s bullshit up here guys. Fucking do something. If one more of you cowards tries to tell me you’re going to vote harder in the primaries or some other stupid limp dick excuse, I swear to god man. Our lives and sovereignty are being threatened here. For the love of god do something actually useful for once in your lives.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (19 children)

Here's what I'd like someone to explain: suppose we have four (or even eight) years of president AOC.

Everything is going dandy. Palestine is recognized. Student loans are discharged. Maybe we're even on track to get a public option. Etc. We get everything we want.

It seems like it only takes 1 (ONE) election cycle for Dems / Liberals / Progressives to stay home and be like "naaah, I just don't feel it this year...Not gonna vote" to undo everything. Dems have had a slim majority in the house for the last 20 years. SC is one seat away from disaster.

We are only in month #2 of Orange Fucks presidency and look at all the damage he's done. We're back to square one. Nothing changes. I'm starting to get blackpilled about the whole democratic experiment. Someone give me some perspective please... I just don't trust the American voter any more. The only consistency is Maga will always show up to vote no matter what piece of shit is written on the ballot. Dems / Liberals / Progressives: we need to move mountains to get any political coalitions or clout to achieve anything.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

In that ideal world, the ratchet effect would finally work in the opposite direction. Instead of the left being dragged right, we would drag the right to the left. And honestly, it wouldn’t be as hard as you might think. Think of social security. There’s a fuckton of republicans that hate new social safety nets and food stamps and shit, but you’d have to pry their social security out of their cold, dead hands. I’ve already heard plenty of republicans and even full on trumpers complaining and worrying that trump and elon are going to take away their social security. The reality is, even if they don’t like it during the election cycle, once you give them a social safety net, it’s really hard to take it away from them. So you create a new standard for them, a new bottom bar that the right can’t cross for the majority of voters. In that ideal world, we’d also strengthen education across the country because education is the first defense against fascism. As the next generations are better educated, it will become harder and harder for the right to trick them into voting against their best interests

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I like you. This comment gives good for thought. I'm falling asleep but I have some thoughts. Will follow up tomorrow stay tuned

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (3 children)

If the DNC wants to continue to exist they need to give up on the idea of being the good conservative party. That's why their base doesn't show up. You can only be held hostage for so long before you just give up and let happen what will happen.

If they would actually pass real reform and genuinely try to make the lives of the worst off better, they'd never have to worry about the republicans again.

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[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 days ago (3 children)

You're getting blackpilled because your scope of what liberal democracy is is incredibly limited and almost childish. Student loan forgiveness? Recognizing Palestine? Those are useless carrots dangled in front of you that do not materially change the country or even count as policies.

If you want to lock out authoritarians for another 100 years and have a real democracy you need to think bigger and grow up. Fundamental voting procedures need to be overhauled. The judiciary needs to be completely removed and then reinstated with additional safeguards against partisanship. Return to a gold standard and abolishment of stocks. Yes, the entire stock market. Quite frankly the entire constitution needs an overhaul to a degree where the old one should just be tossed into a fire and the flag changed afterwards to reflect all these changes to the country.

THAT is what is needed. To remove FUNDAMENTAL and ENDEMIC problems that have been plaguing this republic for 200 years now!

But instead of thinking about that, you just prefer some free money in the form of debt forgiveness. And that's why Trump won and he and his successor will keep winning for the foreseeable future.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

You somehow missed my entire point and managed to focus on the least important aspects of my question. The situations I described were hypotheticals reflecting the best possible world.

My entire thesis is all it takes for one election cycle for progressives / leftists / liberals to not bother getting off the couch and everything we work for si setback another 100 years. It will take sooo much time to undo what Elon and Trump have done it just the past two months. I don't care about the goddamn student loans. My argument is democracy doesnt work, does it?

[–] itsprobablyfine 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

They are arguing that a real progressive would try to fix democracy. Overturn citizens United. Get money out of politics. Push for an alternative to first past the post. Remove the electoral college. You do those things and fascism becomes much easier to defend against.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (25 children)

From here the outside ot really feels that you need to start another party now. Like nice rally and all of that but the dnc has been screwing you over every fuckin time.
Edit: Or a representative parliament system? That winner takes all shit shouldn't be...

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