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For those not familiar, there are numerous messages containing images being repeatedly spammed to many Threadiverse users talking about a Polish girl named "Nicole". This has been ongoing for some time now.

Lemmy permits external inline image references to be embedded in messages. This means that if a unique image URL or set of image URLs are sent to each user, it's possible to log the IP addresses that fetch these images; by analyzing the log, one can determine the IP address that a user has.

In some earlier discussion, someone had claimed that local lemmy instances cache these on their local pict-rs instance and rewrite messages to reference the local image.

It does appear that there is a closed issue on the lemmy issue tracker referencing such a deanonymization attack:

https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/1036

I had not looked into these earlier, but it looks like such rewriting and caching intending to avoid this attack is not occurring, at least on my home instance. I hadn't looked until the most-recent message, but the image embedded here is indeed remote:

https://lemmy.doesnotexist.club/pictrs/image/323899d9-79dd-4670-8cf9-f6d008c37e79.png

I haven't stored and looked through a list of these, but as I recall, the user sending them is bouncing around different instances. They certainly are not using the same hostname for their lemmy instance as the pict-rs instance; this message was sent from nicole92 on lemmy.latinlok.com, though the image is hosted on lemmy.doesnotexist.club. I don't know whether they are moving around where the pict-rs instance is located from message to message. If not, it might be possible to block the pict-rs instance in your browser. That will only be a temporary fix, since I see no reason that they couldn't also be moving the hostname on the pict-rs instance.

Another mitigation would be to route one's client software or browser through a VPN.

I don't know if there are admins working on addressing the issue; I'd assume so, but I wanted to at least mention that there might be privacy implications to other users.

In any event, regardless of whether the "Nicole" spammer is aiming to deanonymize users, as things stand, it does appear that someone could do so.

My own take is that the best fix here on the lemmy-and-other-Threadiverse-software-side would be to disable inline images in messages. Someone who wants to reference an image can always link to an external image in a messages, and permit a user to click through. But if remote inline image references can be used, there's no great way to prevent a user's IP address from being exposed.

If anyone has other suggestions to mitigate this (maybe a Greasemonkey snippet to require a click to load inline images as a patch for the lemmy Web UI?), I'm all ears.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Good luck, my IP consistently points to an entirely another city.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Sure, but if you also logged into Facebook from that IP it's a pretty simple match up.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Stop using fascist platforms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

That is not my point at all. What I meant is the geographical region of your IP has no bearing on your privacy. It doesn't matter if you connect to the tor network through a VPN, if you're just gonna end up logging into accounts or act in manners that a data broker already has connected to you.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 minutes ago

Not using fascist platforms like Facebook and X also helps protects your privacy. I'm not disagreeing with you.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My money says it's Russia trying to find potential political adversaries (people who don't agree with them)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago

Doed anyone know if Nicole has introduced herself to lemmygrad?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 20 hours ago

jokes on them I'm behind 7 proxies and 10 vpns.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Good luck doing that in Portugal the ips are all dynamic here

[–] [email protected] 14 points 20 hours ago

by they know you're in Portugal. no need to punish you though, because you live in Portugal.

jokes aside, even in the US the standard is dynamic IPs, but they are registered to specific cities/states. might be similar to Portugal.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago

i think so too. And even if they wouldnt be doing this, we should still treat it as if they are and fix the problem of it being even possible to gather information about users using 0-click methods like this.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 2 days ago (3 children)

We used to do this on the EVE online forums until CCP caught on and banned inline images.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

spy

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 19 hours ago

Some days, I am tempted to go back to playing eve. Ive got some good memories.

[–] [email protected] 45 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"Man, everyone is on planet earth. How boring"

[–] [email protected] 76 points 1 day ago (2 children)

We were using the IPs and post times to identify accounts, then checking IPs that connected to our VOIP servers so we could identify spies and either remove them or feed them false intel.

Basic counter-intel work and all for a video game heh.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago

Jesus i miss that time , counter intel was so easy back then

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This sounds super cool and interesting, is there like a wiki I can read up about that stuff??

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

theres a whole documentary about it on youtube, check out the "down the rabbit hole" channel

its very long.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

iCloud Private Relay and similar relay services should also protect against IP tracking.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

PSA: check your private relay settings if you haven’t in a while

Mine was on but set to “maintain general area” so local content works.

[–] [email protected] 103 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)
[–] Justas 60 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Yes, especially because many Lemmy users have some radical views.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

!dull_[email protected] and [email protected] are at the top of the list.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)

For real, totally tubular 🤙

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago
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[–] [email protected] 46 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Might be good to think about fediverse security similar to email security, as they are both federated information sharing systems. Email has spam blocking, allowing for reputation checks and other complex stuff. I wonder if Lemmy instances could collaborate on a SpamHaus type of bad host / bad user list to use and share.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

SpamHaus type of bad host

That already kinda exists: https://gui.fediseer.com/

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

Cool, I hadn't heard of that. So instance admins can access their lists via API I see. Should be possible to "spam filter" federations that way at least.

Maybe this stuff can be expanded to include a spam list of bad users and links too, for Lemmy servers to parse via API and block.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I've been blocking and reporting these nicole accounts as spam bots lately. I hope this doesn't become as bad as the spam bots in the YT comments.

[–] can 19 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

A while back someone mentioned something similar would be possible and as a proof of concept linked to an image that would generate on the fly to include your location.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (1 children)

On my instance (.ml) all of the images are fetched through the image proxy.

What version of lemmy is your instance running?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago

0.19.6. Could be that there's some configuration option.

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