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[–] [email protected] 9 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

We planted clover; it blooms (great for pollinators), spreads fast, is very comfy to sit on, absorbs shock better when you fall on it, has a max length that's much shorter than grass, so you don't really need to mow the lawn unless you prefer it short and leaves less space for other undesireable plants to grow, while not needing much water to stay green (saving water). It's pretty great honestly!

Little fact: clover is edible, so if you feel like eating clover nectar, you'll be able to. I know some people might find that weird, but it tastes very good, which is why many farmers let their bees collect clover nectar to make their honey (it makes sweet/tangy delicious honey, due to how sweet clover nectar tastes to begin with).

[–] TriflingToad 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I've always wondered what it must be like to be a cow and just eat the floor

[–] [email protected] 3 points 4 hours ago

You don't eat the leaf of it, you pick the petal and suckle the nectar out... it's one of the rare flowers that you can eat the nectar of. Also if you ever ate broccoli and cauliflower, congratz, you ate a flower, like a cow would.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

I highly recommend clover yards. Minimal upkeep and they help nature. They also require like 60% less water and stay green longer. Only grow to about 4-6” so you don’t have to mow.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 7 hours ago

Tell that to the home owner's association.

Please.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 7 hours ago

Native plants ftw! Did anyone look into pocket forests too? I'll try to pitch it on my next community meeting

[–] [email protected] 12 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Victorian aristocracy: ah, yes, mowed laws, because useful land is for peasants.

Americans: FREEDOM LAWNS

[–] [email protected] 11 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

A major cultural component of the US is the cult of wealth. You're kind of taught/expected to put forward the veneer and appearance of economic success and wealth, even if you are neither. Fundamentally, Americans have been taught a sort of economic moralism that goes that good people become wealthy people and bad people become poor people, ergo the wealthy are good and the poor are bad. So, you want to project that you're a good person, and one way to do that is projecting the appearance of wealth. Shit drives me bananas, man.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

The chinese used to present their wealth by making dumplings with a lot of meat and thin wrappings.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Our first one of the year earlier this week

[–] [email protected] 16 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Still get knocks on my door from companies wanting to help me with my yard.

No thanks.

Bunnies made homes in leaves, I get to watch a red-tailed hawk hunt in my backyard with their adolescent hawks, baby deer taking naps in the grass, the turtles still visit and have a places to lay their eggs (small pond on property), peeper frogs in the spring, lightning bugs like crazy in the summer, 3ft garder snake that suns in the bushes / front steps in the summer, birds have taken over the bushes and my dogs get to chase bunnies and watch the birds from the windows.

Besides this being a remenant of slave ownership, look how many slaves I have to keep my lawn perfectly manicured type thing, it's just another capitalist shit storm they sell you to keep you from seeing what's really going on and paying more for things that are ultimately killing you, us, everyone.

Oh, and I don't spend every waking fucking moment on the weekends, mowing, raking, moving specific nature into another spot, all for vanity's sake and to turn around and do it all over again.

Or go get gas, spill it filling up the lawn mower, further pollute the atmosphere etc., (my stuff is electric anyways).

So many benefits to this.

Take your time and energy back.

Stop fighting nature.

Let the planet live like it wants.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

Do you just let your grass grow wild or planted something like clover like others are suggesting?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago

For now, I let it grow wild and mow it in certain areas because the grass grows so long and thick it's like a foot tall shag rug standing up. My dogs get lots in it and there's a ton of ticks if I don't.

I also already have wild strawberries, clovers, etc. and I'm happy for those to take over the yard. But I want to add patches / areas of native wild flowers eventually. Help the pollinators out some more.

There's a place, in my state, that sells native griund cover and even gives tips on how to 'kill' your yard and replace with native ground cover.

I also didn't specify, my backyard is all open and I've let that go completely. It's really fun to see how nature has taken it back.

Part of the front is fenced in, to keep the dogs safe, but that's the only part I do any mowing in, so I can see my pups when the grass grows too long.

Thanks for asking!

What do you do with yours?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (4 children)

I dead ass had a pest company come to my door and offer to flush my lawn with pesticide to get rid of all the bugs in it. I said "my guy, did you know that global insect populations are crashing and we're heading towards complete ecological collapse? I recognize everyone's gotta get their bread, but this is pretty bad stuff you guys are doing." He seemed interested and moved on. I doubt he quit the company, but a boy can dream.

Edit: no HOA, and my neighbors dgaf, so I can be a proud dandelion enjoyer. Planting tons of natives, we'll see how it goes.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 11 hours ago

Or the obvious, these bugs keep the yard healthy

[–] [email protected] 5 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

I'm sorry, he wanted to exterminate your garden?

That is the stupidest thing I have heard in ages.

edit: as in, stupid on the pest company.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

I mean that's a growth market if you can convince people it's something they need.

The best part is it's outdoors, so the bugs will come back and then you get repeat business! I bet you even get some whales who get you out for it every month!

This is actually how "entrepreneurs" think. They'll come up with these evil, manipulative schemes and think they're being clever.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, exactly right. I was fucking flabbergasted at first, but I had to make sure dude understood what he was doing to earn his bread

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Hopefully you saved some other insects from him.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

One can hope

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

there are a LOT of cool native ground covers in most places. grass isn't just wasteful and ecologically devastating; it's ugly as hell.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Yeah, fescue is not my friend. I'm looking into growing some native clump grasses and clovers and replacing my lawn with that. There's some downright interesting plants that used to be all over the San Joaquin valley. Drives me batty when people say that nothing used to grow here before it was settled and cultivated.

Right now I've got California Poppies, Black Sage seedlings and Coyote Mint seedlings. There's an epilobium species growing here that might be native and edible or non-native and poisonous (I'm an experienced and cautions forager; seems like epilobiums can be kinda bastards to tell apart, so I'm not going to proceed further there), and red clover. I'm looking into getting some Nodding Needlegrass, Three-awn grass, and some Triteleia spp. I was looking at Owl Clover, but it's parasitic on grasses, and I don't to piss off the neighborhood by setting off an epidemic of parasitic owl clover (my power level isn't quite that high yet).

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

oh! you're in central california! there's some really cool stuff out there. there's cool drought tolerant tall purple grasses.

or you could grow something more utilitarian; like vegetables or herbs or something. that's also really nice. they don't look as pretty, but they smell AMAZING. plus you can attract cats.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I edited this in after you posted. Right now I've got California Poppies, Black Sage seedlings and Coyote Mint seedlings. There's an epilobium species growing here that might be native and edible or non-native and poisonous (I'm an experienced and cautions forager; seems like epilobiums can be kinda bastards to tell apart, so I'm not going to proceed further there), and red clover. I'm looking into getting some Nodding Needlegrass, Three-awn grass, and some Triteleia spp. I was looking at Owl Clover, but it's parasitic on grasses, and I don't to piss off the neighborhood by setting off an epidemic of parasitic owl clover (my power level isn't quite that high yet). I've also scattered some nettle-leaf hyssop seeds, but I seem to be coming up zeroes on that front. Now, my neighbor is a heavy irrigator and always floods my side yard after years of asking them to manage it better. Nothing grows there but mud or water-loving non-native grasses, so I got my hands on some cattail seeds (and dill and fennel) and scattered them in there. I'm curious to see if I can get some cattails going.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

fennel is great for spots you expect to flood. lots watery spots in CA have fennel, and it's a unique regional anisette flavor nobody can ever put their finger on. great for salads and tomato sauces.

you could also try putting in a water break, or doing the owl clover just so your neighbor has nothing to water. fix the problem.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

Lmao, I'm hoping I might get a reaction when swamp plants start coming up on their side of the fence. At any rate, cattails are such a dead useful plant, if I get a good crop of them (or better, a mix of them and dill/fennel), I won't be too mad at the neighbor.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

your life is so much more botanically interesting than mine.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's taken years of small, persistent effort, and it's an ongoing process. One day, I aspire to become a forest spirit that randomly terrorizes too-well-manicured suburbs and gets featured in creepypastas. Anyone can do it, it just takes time, interest, a bit of applied effort, and some luck. If you find an already experienced botany nerd in your area, you can really give yourself a boost, but YouTube U is a pretty decent substitute. There's lots of good books that your local library can help you get a hold of too!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

shadow libraries are great for making yourself backups, if you rely on books for anything! having a permenant digital copy of your fav plant books in with your usual stuff is really useful. any good books on local california species and ecologies you would recommend? I haven't been on libgen for a while.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

One that I'm really enjoying (though it's kind of a tome) is "Tending The Wild" by M. Kat Anderson. It goes into the interdependent relationships the native Americans had with the local flora and fauna and how the arrival of European settlement blew that ecology right out of the airlock. There's a lot of really good information both about the horrors of colonialism and genocide as well as the ways that various native species were used and cultivated.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The Horrors are pretty pedestrian to me at this point, but functional knowledge on the way various cultures, especially by region, nurtured and maintained the superabundance of the pre-columbian americas would be pretty fucking amazing to read. there's a modern less geographically specific re-discovery of the concept 'the philosophy of social ecology' by the guy whose inter-human-political philosophy largely inspired the not-a-state in what was NE syria whose name escapes me at present.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago) (1 children)

Idk, man, I thought I knew it well enough, but it shook me a few times. One of the things that still haunts me is how the native Americans had this entire cultivated relationship with the ecology here, and the Europeans just wandered in and went "pfft look at these dumb layabouts not cutting down trees, plowing fields, and killing everything that moves when God left it here for them to exploit" and proceeded to perform what amounted to not just regular genocide, but also ecological and cultural genocide by completely transforming the ecology of California.

Also, re: hyper abundance. There's some evidence that suggests that the hyper-abundance encountered by European settlers was actually the result of the collapse of agrarian societies across the continent. De Soto describes organized, settled, agrarian societies when he first encounters the native Americans. 100 years of smallpox later, and the English find what amounts to hunter-gatherer bands. It's entirely possible that a breathtaking depopulation occurred across the American continents that basically resulted in what you'd see when you functionally eradicate the apex predator from a given ecology.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago) (1 children)

oh. the stupid part is easy to understand. stupidity is usually pretty easy to understand, up until you get into some very modern innovations in the field.

devastation too. the ease of understanding it is kind of the point and why it hits so hard. read about that, fuck those assholes, murder their descendants all the way up to me, and I got bored of taking my shots at that bitch like a decade ago. it's the ecology and actual science that WAS destroyed that I'm interested in. is much of that preserved/reconstructed in the text?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

There's a pretty good density of useful information from what I've read. I'm not even halfway through yet, but it's doing a good job of painting a picture around how the ecology was maintained and used, yeah.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 12 hours ago

No drop of rain blames themselves for the flood.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I live in a van, I've spent a lot of time deep in the woods all across the US. There are still hardly any insects when the nearest lawn is dozens of miles away. This is almost definitely related to industrial scale pollution effecting the entire ecosystem not just just localized habitat destruction.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

I live in California's central valley. It's a big area that's kind of similar to the serenghetti in terms of ecology in that it's technically a desert purely by rainfall measures, but it's a seasonal wetland in practice. Suffice it to say that bugs used to be off the fucking hook here; if you drove for forty minutes, your car was caked. Now, you barely get six bugs. Scared the shit out of my nature-loving mom when I pointed that out.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 11 hours ago

Pollinators HATE this one simple trick!

[–] earphone843 14 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Not my lawn. I've been selectively breeding my yard to only have highly drought tolerant native plants. My neighbor brags about his st Augustine monoculture and the $400 a month water bill to keep it alive, but always asks me what my secret is because I literally never water, fertilize, or poison it (besides with specific poison for invasive fire ants).

Although I am planning on seeding clover this year, largely because I plan on urban farming in my backyard, but I won't complain about the nitrogen fixing in the front either.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

What do you use against fire ants?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Your lawn sounds far more interesting than his. I hate the cookie cutter, artificially green lawns.

[–] earphone843 5 points 13 hours ago

I think it looks better, but I'm an outdoorsman at heart so I prefer nature.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago

Several years ago, developers cut down a giant tract of woods practically across the street from my house in order to build a brand new housing community. Cookie cutter homes with early 90's Tim Burton level "perfect lawns" stretching over hundreds of acres.

I started taking my walks down that way, since at a minimum they had sidewalks along the entire stretch making my evening walks a bit safer than trying to navigate the roadsides without them.

A couple of springs after the monstrosity was built, there was a house where about 1/4 of the lawn was covered in the mounds of ground nesting bees. I specifically chose my walking path each day so that I could go by there to witness the spectacular display. It was so neat watching the bees, males hovering over the mound nests fighting off rivals and trying to entice females. The melodious buzz of hundreds of bees dancing around the entrances to their nests was the highlight of my stroll.

Then one day I walked by and the owner of that yard was outside talking to someone from a pest control company about how to get rid of the bees in their yard. I'm not one to intrude on people, but since I was stopped at the intersection due to traffic and I overheard the conversation, I did mention to them that these mounds would be gone in a matter of days regardless of whether they were sprayed or not, and that the bees are non-aggressive natives that wouldn't/couldn't sting you and posed no threat.

A week or so later there was a sign in the yard with some statement that basically said to avoid touching the grass, keep pets and children out, dangerous pesticides had been sprayed.

The optimist in me wants to believe that something I read is true, and it basically stated that traditional pesticides are not usually very effective against ground nesting bees because the adults are short lived anyway, and most of the commonly used pesticides bind to soil and therefore don't usually penetrate deeply enough down into the soil to kill the larva/offspring.

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I remember my old house, i replaced 75% of the lawn with a flower garden and meadow flowers, moss, etc. the HOA was PISSED. I swear HOAs exist only to be miserable killjoys

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