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[–] [email protected] 96 points 1 day ago (11 children)

About a week ago I saw a brand new model Y (still had the 90 day temporary plate) sporting one of those "bought before elon..." stickers.

[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Elon has always been a terrible person, but he was once focused on things that society actually needed, like electrifying transportation to avoid climate collapse.

He seems to have gone sharply downhill into total insanity by taking ketamine while locking himself in a rightwing echo chamber. It’s the perfect storm of dissociating from reality.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Elon has always been a terrible person

The problem with Elon is he's been provably an idiot for the past 25 years.

The first thing I ever heard about Musky is that back in 2000-ish he wanted PayPal to take their infra, throw out all the Linux/BSD in use, and move everything to Windows NT.

Anyone who was even remotely IT adjacent in that era can come along and tell you how utterly moronic that idea is.

Anytime I've ever heard him blather on about some stupid shit that doesn't exist except in his delusions or talk about, well, ANYTHING technical or specialized all I was ever able to think of is that he got lucky that Thiel didn't drain all of his blood and leave his corpse in a ditch.

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[–] [email protected] 47 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Potential ketamine addiction aside, he's just gravitated toward where he sees more money and unfluence for himself. He wanted the prestige of being a leader in tech, so he used his influence and money to build SpaceX. Then he bullied his way into the ownership of Tesla, desperately wanting to appear as a genius to libertarian and liberal minds alike, but he's never been any less of an authoritarian. When Trump rose to power the first time, he sat and watched and along with the rest of the Silicon Valley Moguls, he began to move himself into positions of influence with populist politicians, borrowing the evangelical right's playbooks and throwing himself into the spotlight no matter the reason. He pivoted off his falsified image as some kind of American self-starter into MAGA rhetoric.

Musk doesn't have lofty ideals or any real focus on the betterment of society. I don't think he ever did. He just wanted to be a real life Tony Stark and command the influence that came with it. Now he doesn't need to, because he's got Trump in his back pocket and is mostly untouchable by any normal means.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I'll never stop laughing when Tony Stark treats Musk as a nobody.

Iron Man II, "Yeah. Later. Blown. Off. Bet Musk is still proud of that cameo.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

“I think that’s a good idea.”

“You do? Then we’ll make it work.”

Sick burn

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Knowing how badly Tesla has managed their supply chain, it's possible they paid for it in 2016.

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[–] ryedaft 15 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Dr Dorothy Bishop resigned from the Royal Society back in November 2024 because of Musk. Everybody knew. And being an FRS is a huge, huge deal to a British scientist.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago

I didn't know till ...tomorrow.

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[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (11 children)

Remember 2015? A Tesla parked in your driveway told your neighbours that you valued innovation, that you possessed an environmental conscience, that you had a stake in the future of the planet. The cars weren't perfect, but they meant something. They represented hope - for clean energy, EVs, and a world beyond fossil fuels.

This was me years go. I knew climate change was real and an imminent threat. I wanted to vote with my wallet for a cleaner future. I also wanted to strike a blow against the National Automotive Dealers Association for their regressive practices that hurt consumers and drive prices for cars higher for everyone. Buying a Tesla did those things. I charge the car on sunlight from my house. I don't have to support the petroleum industry's damage to environment and people around the world. I was proud to be doing something rather than just talking about needs for changes against climate change.

Musk doesn't get any of my money from this car. I don't pay for any of the Tesla monthly services. I'm don't want to be seen driving with a Tesla logo on the car. I'm ashamed that my good intentions funded a fascist.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 day ago (1 children)

There is no shame in your ownership of the vehicle based on your intentions; I would humbly assert that anger is a more appropriate reaction to the current leadership of the company that made it. If strangers judge you, that’s on them.

If I had had the means to purchase one 10+ years ago, I would have. Most people who claim they wouldn’t are not being honest with themselves or disapproved of the virtue signaling associated with them at the time.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 16 hours ago

Musk still gets some money if you ever need parts. I had to replace the heater and went to non tesla shop. Unfortunately, he wasn't able to get a used heater so I had to buy a new part.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Tesla might have to go on welfare... by having the US government buy thousands upon thousands of Teslas. 🤮

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Swasticars for a fascist government. Makes sense.

[–] Enkers 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

The popo using cybertrucks would really be the cherry on the techno-feudalist hellscape cake.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Everyone forgets where the German cars, Henry Ford, etc came from politically.

I was looking into my first EV, and politics just didn’t weigh that much into the decision. Now, the “infotainment as a perpetual service”, that turned me off and away from Tesla. With CarPlay my car dash will never lose service, and will always be free to use with updates from Apple/Google. I can’t imagine why people would ever pay for their infotainment when CarPlay is better or equal in all cases to the alternative.

That said, if Tesla and other brands were equally weighted in my purchase decision, I’d then happily rule Tesla out based on merit.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Are either Ford or Mercedes currently run by Nazis? Can the average person on the street name the CEO of either of them?

The problem with Tesla is that everyone hates the guy who has made himself the face of the company at a time when there are plenty of alternatives.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 day ago (5 children)

German cars come from Carl Benz, who built the first automobile in 1885, four years before Hitlers birth.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 22 hours ago)

That is an insane take to me. Elon Musk is Nazi scum and the Tesla has issues, but the infotainment system is the best you can get in any car and the main reason I haven't been able to get rid of it, ignoring the fact that literally every other non Chinese EV in the same price range in my country is objectively worse specced.

Having an extremely responsive map with satellite imagery that boots up instantly is already better than every other car out there, but it also has built-in dashcam and livestream functionality for all 4 cameras, which is a bitch to install in other cars, and it's already saved me a bunch of times.

Android Auto just plain sucks ass, disconnects constantly and a lot of newer models still require a wired connection.

Also worth noting you're not paying for the infotainment, you're paying for the cellular connection, with whatever local cellular company they are working with. In my case it's cheaper than getting a data plan directly from the cellular company and my old Hyundai didn't even have that option in my country.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 1 day ago (3 children)

Well VW is still around. Maybe Teslas will be classic cars in 80 years.

/s: They will all self immolate.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Musk chased right-wing approval, but the only thing he got was declining sales and a dying brand.

I mean he got tens of billions of dollars in increased wealth so I dunno if I'd say that.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (3 children)

8% drop in car sales isn't great but I think the article is overselling the idea that the company is straight up dying. (Sadly) Most people just don't make a connection between how they spend their money and the politics of the people they prop up.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Tesla is definitely dying unless they can turn this around quickly.
Surplus capacity is expensive, and I bet they are already operating at a loss. And turning around a bad reputation is hard.
Their models are dated, the cheap Tesla is cancelled, the Cybertruck is a catastrophic fiasco, and the model Y has already lost a lot of popularity, so even a new mode already said to be mostly a facelift, is unlikely to make a huge difference.
The drop in sales in January in EU is 50%, and they are losing market share in China and USA too. So I think the actual drop is higher now than 8%.
Note that for Nissan a 5% drop last year was called catastrophic!! And their survival is also questioned, and they are way bigger than Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (2 children)

To your list add that new Tesla sales are also competing against an increasing number of Tesla owners who now want to divest themselves of the brand.

More used Teslas on the market will only push down the market rates and thus profits of new Teslas even further.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It’s close to 50% drop in Europe. The EU has 500 million people. They may not know it yet but Tesla is on hospice care.

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[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

I just want to stop seeing a storm of them when I am on a road. I can’t seem to drive anywhere without seeing approximately 10 within a single hour.

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