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[–] [email protected] 43 points 2 days ago (1 children)

it was very disrespectful, that’s not how a host treats a guest.

JD’s tactic is well known in the psychological manipulation menu and it was extremely rude.

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 day ago

he wasn't even listening, he had his bullshit ready to go. he said "did you ever say thank you" when zelenskyy literally started talking by saying thank you in that very meeting.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago

Can you imagine that some idiots were turned against Zelensky - it's insane. One of true contemporary heroes.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 day ago

When someone gets you a really crappy birthday present but your parents make you write a thank you letter anyway.

[–] [email protected] 47 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The EU policy secretary (I don't remember the exact position) said after that meeting that the free world needs a new leader and she hopes Europe is up for the challenge.

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[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Holy shit I just watched a 7 minute clip. That was a hard watch. What a couple of clowns.

I wild chicken would've been less disrespectful and a better conversation.

[–] [email protected] 305 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Americans, take note, Zelenskyy is a competent, thoughtful leader who isn’t a rapist or a coward, or a cock holster for Putin.

[–] [email protected] 110 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

I’d rather have Zelenskyy than Elon.

[–] Varyk 120 points 2 days ago (15 children)

I'd rather have a toaster than elon.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I would rather Elon commit toaster in bathtub.

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[–] [email protected] 144 points 2 days ago (10 children)

I am so profoundly ashamed to be an American right now.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 2 days ago

I feel like a lot of the world is feeling some sort of satisfaction like "we told you the USA fucking sucked"

[–] Lucidlethargy 7 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I can't even begin to describe how profoundly ashamed I am to be "represented" by this piece of human garbage.

Fuck every last person who voted for them.

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[–] [email protected] 151 points 2 days ago (2 children)

american here.

watching the video of trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time is insulting. dear president zelensky: i am so sorry you have to interact with that donut and his side of coffee. you, sir, are a classy fellow who deserves to be respected.

[–] [email protected] 137 points 2 days ago (8 children)

trump and vance yelling at an ally in need of help because he said "thank you" at the wrong time

That isn't what they were doing at all.

They were yelling at an enemy in hopes of provoking him, in order to manufacture a justification for their own treachery.

As Americans, we need to understand that Trump is unilaterally forcing the US to switch sides -- to betray NATO and join Russia and North Korea as pariah dictatorships -- and we need to decide what we're going to do about it.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 2 days ago

Exactly. They were hoping that Zelenskyy wouldn’t just turn the other cheek. Because if Zelenskyy got agitated, they would use it as justification for cutting all ties.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

No, I think it goes deeper than that. They have no loyalty to America, they have loyalty to their ideology. This is why they sympathise with the AfD, Brexit and the rest. They seek control only to enrich themselves. Russia isn't an ally, it's an aspiration

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I couldn't even make it through a minute without rage building up and had to turn off the video. That he could sit there and put up with that ridiculous circus without getting up and leaving or punching them in the face is amazing. I could not do that. I'm pissed off again writing this and being reminded of the short video I watched.

[–] Tiger 8 points 2 days ago

If you can give it another look it’s worth it to just see how adept and tough Zelenskyy is, they couldn’t shake him and get him to make a real error. They come out looking terrible and most folks will like Zelenskyy more than ever.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 days ago (9 children)

What do you mean "debase"? I see an adult acting as one. Maybe it looks a little weird next to the behavior of vhildr.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Because he is thanking Trump after they treated him like crap. He is doing the adult thing for diplomacy, but had he had no war situation Thanking somebody for being overly douchey to you would be considered debasing yourself

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[–] [email protected] 99 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Fucking moron keeps bringing up Hunter Biden even in peace negotiations between Russia and Ukraine. What a disgrace Trump is.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 days ago (10 children)

A very small part of me wants to believe the “he’s playing 4D chess, he’s six moves ahead, and we just can’t see his next play yet” MAGAts. Because the only other alternative is that he’s a fully senile idiot who holds the most powerful seat in the country. And unfortunately for my sanity, I know his actions are not due to genius.

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

This just makes me reflect on how many Americans, even Trump voters, are basically screaming from the rooftops that Trump is doing real harm to them, and maybe, just maybe, that message will actually be heard.

Then I remember that he's replaced just about everyone who can get into earshot of him with an echo chamber of what-the-fuckary. Absolute useless humans, who will shield Trump from hearing about any negatives from the decisions he's making.

Everything they're saying to the public is spin. It might be based in fact, somewhere in the background, but it's so far divulged from that truth that it's difficult to even tell what true thing was spun this hard to generate the things they're saying. There's a nontrivial amount of it that's just outright fabrications.

I'm not an American and I couldn't vote in the US election. I'm your neighbor to the North and all I could do was watch, in horror, as the vote went to the orange party.

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[–] [email protected] 61 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (3 children)

This isn't debasement. This is manners.

Manners are about you thanking the host, not about the pigs you dined with. Sometimes, the host IS the pig. But it's still about you, so cast them some pearls.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (5 children)

You've been downvoted, but you're right.

Folks, this is what debasement is:

debasement noun

The act of debasing or the state of being debased; a lowering, especially in character or quality.

What Zelenskyy did was the exact opposite of that: by putting his personal pride aside for the good of Ukraine despite Trump and Vance trying to double-team him with the worst bullying they could muster, he showed incredible strength of character and statesmanship.

Make no mistake: this was not Zelenskyy showing weakness or fealty towards Trump. This was Zelenskyy jumping through the hoops necessary to deny the bullies credibility for their claims that he was not cooperating towards peace. His graciousness just sets him further above them, in terms of diplomatic credibility.

In the damn near no-win scenario Zelenskyy is in, this was as close to a victory as he could possibly have hoped for.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Trump is way better at this.

He's willing to debase an entire country!

😏

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago

It's said POTUS instead of President Trump, so it's not a valid thanks for Trump.

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