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Around the world, progressive parties have come to see tight immigration restrictions as unnecessary, even cruel. What if they’re actually the only way for progressivism to flourish?

That the era of low immigration was also the era of progressive triumph is no coincidence. [...] The United States felt more like a cohesive nation to many voters, with higher levels of social trust and national pride, and politicians were able to enact higher taxes on the rich and new benefits like Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (3 children)

It's always been immigration, people. I've been saying it for years. Everyone, even the most liberal, has a breaking point when it comes to how much immigration they can tolerate before they feel like they are losing their way of life. And the amount of people who would migrate to the developed world if they could is basically unlimited, which ensures that every non-restrictive immigration program will eventually be overwhelmed.

I don't hate immigrants, I love and respect them and I reject the racist narratives of the right. But every country needs to have reasonable restrictions on immigration-especially illegal immigration- or eventually the people will radicalize against immigrants. You can say that's unfair but it's just the facts. Source: every nation that has ever experienced immigration waves.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 4 hours ago (2 children)

As a socialist from Denmark, what convinced me to stop supporting immigration was the realization that we're going to see an overwhelming increase in immigration due to climate change, because enormous parts of northern Africa and the Middle East will become uninhabitable. The increase in climate refugees coupled with our absolutely appaling integration policies, made by right-wing parties over the last 30 years, has convinced me we will absolutely fail misserably if we don't stop.

My politicians are simply too inept to be able to handle it, and it will destroy my country in the process.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

It is hard to read someone acknowledge that some of the reasons people seek refuge is directly result from the wealthiest nations fucking up the planet for profit while the firsts to take the effects are the poor nations that very little contributed to said catastrophe and goes:

"sorry, there is no space for you. It is true that we are ripping the fruit of centuries of imperialism and unchecked destruction of nature and sorry that it affects you guys the most, but we cannot make space and give up the way of life that we killed the planet for"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 4 hours ago

Yeah, same thing in America too, conservatives would rather run on "immigration is broken" as an issue than actually take productive steps to make immigration work. Ultimately, they know that positioning themselves as the anti-immigration party during an immigration crisis is a winning play.

[–] sugar_in_your_tea 1 points 3 hours ago

Sure, but I think it's also true that the high demand for immigration means we should consider increasing quotas on immigration. Make it easier to immigrate legally, while at the same time cracking down on illegal immigration. So a little from both extremes of the issue.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Every liberal party that went stricter on immigration lost votes to the fascists in the last election in germany last week.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

sauce? Conservative CDU went hard and won, the center-right–liberal FDP did far worse things and lost, while the Left Party is having record soaring membership.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

The CDU had the second worst result since the unification of Germany. And FDP also talked bullshit about immigration. I am confused what you want a source for?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

IMO "second worst result" for the winning party is more an indication of Germany's growing plurality. And the FDP has way bigger problems with their "d-day" exit fiasco.

I am confused what you want a source for?

A broad correlation that parties who went hard on immigration performed worse (especially when compared to those that went loose, like the Greens).

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago

Because the Danes are well educated.

[–] ace_of_based 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"How do progressives win? By being less progressive!"

Am i really reading this? Is it onion-adjacent? Is there a hidden camera somewhere?

[–] CancerMancer 2 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (1 children)

No, progressives win by not allowing the breakdown of social cohesion to the point that everyday people are wondering what happened to their culture. Places with leftist politicians who acknowledge that their culture has value (like Denmark and Québec) are doing just fine.

[–] ace_of_based 2 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Hahahahahaha hot damn are you in for it son! Nah who am i kiddin, you'll be be standing with them when they start knockin on doors won't ya?

[–] CancerMancer 3 points 3 hours ago

I'm a union executive and activist for multiple causes like Right to Repair and accessibility-first design of public services. I'm not worried about people questioning my creds.

My culture values speech, equal rights, good public services, and secularism. This is the bare minimum I expect of any newcomer: I do not want people who do not value those things in my culture.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago

Only reading the headline, I wonder if a political party could survive just by gesturing at various current situations incredulously and asking "is this really what you want?!"

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

That image looks like it would make a badass isometric game.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 11 hours ago

Hello, my friend. Stay awhile and listen.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 22 hours ago

Kinda reminds me of Dorf Romantik

[–] GhostedIC 11 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Sounds like theyre winning by giving voters what they want. Voters want social benefits, they do not want immigration, simple as. Concerns over immigration have got to the point in some countries where people are voting for conservative parties because they promise less immigration, or just to not let criminals walk the streets, even though they like other left policies.

[–] taladar 16 points 1 day ago (3 children)

The thing is, the criminals are not walking the streets. Crime rates are actually much lower than ever before in western nations and no, the remaining crime is not done by immigrants to a higher degree than one would expect compared to similar groups in the native population either (e.g. young native men vs. young immigrant men).

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The new deal era welfare programs were dismantled during the civil rights era using racism as an excuse, and now that same progress has been pointed to by right-wingers as the cause of all our woes. They got rid of our social safety net because they didn't want "undesirables" to have access. By retreating on the immigration issue for the sake of rebuilding the social safety net those countries are giving the racists what they wanted all along, and they won't stop at immigrants.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 1 day ago

How come it's always nazi apologists with these takes..

Ok big brain - who's gonna provide those social benefits in a country with an aging population and no immigration?

This sounds like the whole Brexit thing where folk voted to keep immigrants out and were then shocked when social services went even more to shit when they realized half of NHS staff were foreigners...

If you were arguing to solve global inequality and climate change by dismantling western imperialism and by radically reducing their material consumption so that people didn't need to emigrate - then we would agree - but your current stance just sounds like social security for me but not for thee..

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago

Just look at the current Danish government, it's a coalition "across the middle", but in reality it just means that the social democrats (Socialdemokratiet of which Mette Frederiksen is party leader), has turned more and more right wing.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago (5 children)

easy. the danish "liberals" adopted nationalist policies.

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