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"Definitely never seen this type of response to a FOIA request," quipped one journalist.

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 days ago (2 children)
[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

CNN is sympathetic to fascists. I’m happy to not give them a click.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago

Could use the Wayback Machine

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

Common dreams headline is funnier and more succinct.

[–] [email protected] 118 points 3 days ago

One thing I would like to say for people who aren't familiar and won't read the article:

Every federal agency has its own FOIA team, in this case the OPM FOIA team was slaughtered and flayed for sport. It's possible other agency's FOIA teams were removed, but also more likely that they still exist. This wasn't a blanket death of all FOIA, just the death of arguably the most important FOIA team

[–] [email protected] 188 points 3 days ago (3 children)

This is very common for Muskolini, any press contacts are often let go, makes obtaining damning information impossible/improbable. None of his companies staff a PR department as far as I know. Why anybody puts up with this guy and his companies is beyond me.

[–] [email protected] 74 points 3 days ago (12 children)

Muskolini

Sounds like a pasta. A shitty pasta.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Same thing happened with the Twitter takeover.

All the official, PR/Communications staff were fired or quit, nobody had any idea what any actual policy changes were real or not.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago)

They were already doing this in the first Trump term. They started clearing out a lot of the science-focused agencies, telling numerous agencies they couldn't release ANY statements without approval from on-high. That was literally almost a decade ago now.

[–] [email protected] 177 points 3 days ago (3 children)

They are literally fucking up entire US government.

[–] [email protected] 123 points 3 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 days ago (4 children)

Yep:

“I don’t want to abolish government. I simply want to reduce it to the size where I can drag it into the bathroom and drown it in the bathtub.” — Grover Norquist

That was 25 years ago. It's always been their plan. They want to dismantle democracy and replace it with a corporatocracy, oligarchy, or similar authoritarian structure.

[–] spaghettiwestern 76 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

Part of the GOP plan. First fuck up government so completely it doesn't work, then scream that government doesn't work and should be defunded and shut down.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. Destroying the government is thier wet dream.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Well, not all of the government. Just the parts that could hold them accountable for anything they do.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago (5 children)

I think at this point, it's all of the government. If it can be privatized, why wouldn't they push to eliminate that sector of the government and then install their own corporate entities?

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Because the central guy can't control those corporate entities directly. He primarily wields political power, not financial power. There's a tension between the two.

Musk (financial power) is currently winning out over Steve Bannon (political power). Musk doing that Nazi salute brought a lot of MAGA people underneath him who were otherwise getting worried that Musk was the wrong kind of authoritarian.

Financial power might win in the end, and the reason is that Trump is a doddering old man. This is unique; it's not quite following the same script as Nazi Germany, where Hitler was relatively young and still had the same mental faculties he always did (even if those faculties were twisted).

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

This is unique; it’s not quite following the same script as Nazi Germany, where Hitler was relatively young and still had the same mental faculties he always did (even if those faculties were twisted).

Don't get it wrong: Hitler was fucking stupid. Not quite on Trump's level, but he was extremely arrogant, pushed his shitty book during his reign just to earn a lot of money, didn't listen to his generals, and got the people around him so scared of bad opinions that they all turned into Yes Men.

All you need in this world to achieve power is overconfidence and enough money to enchant a following.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 3 days ago

Dumb, but he was like, there.

Just look at that press conference with Musk. Trump looks defeated and tired. Musk's crotchspawn mumbles something to Trump that was probably insulting, and he's just, like, whatever. Musk was completely in charge. Hitler didn't do big appearances where he let some big business leader do all the talking while looking like he wants to take a nap.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I think the driving forces are more likely sociopathic corporate interests that want deregulation and foreign adversaries who want to see the US government dismantled (and allies driven away, and growing social division)

[–] spaghettiwestern 4 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

You mean the GOP and their supporters?

[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

Some, many of them are useful idiots who think they're doing the right thing

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (4 children)

Not entirely true.

All these firings are likely going to result in classaction lawsuits, and the judiciary (so far) has been very responsive to Trump's power grabs. You'll recall they shut him down on DOGE's Treasury incursion, birthright citizenship, and the funding freeze. (Among others)

It may seem like everything's fucked up, but that's only because your social media feed and executive orders create chaos faster than the judiciary can check it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Yeah that's why I'm trying to take a more passive approach and only monitor the situation *gestures vaguely*.

I can't affect anything that happens at the national level anyway, so all I can do is be on the lookout for harm to myself or my loved ones and do my best to mitigate it.

We have FOUR MORE YEARS of this, and after that its going to take decades to get back to where we were two months ago. So, buckle in, I hope you weren't hoping for any kind of societal progess or innovation.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

We have FOUR MORE YEARS of this

Not necessarily. Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, and as we saw with the Muslim ban, Trump's a bit of a bitch when the judiciary stands up to him. It's just a matter of time until these attempts start to slow down.

The downside is that Dems rule as conservatives too, so it's likely whatever the judiciary doesn't reverse will be permanent.

But, as we saw with similar activities in the McCarthyist era, the damage is reversible. (But I know that's not much consolation, but it's consolation to me to know that this isn't the first time someone has tried to brute force fascism in government and been stopped.)

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (5 children)

I don't think you realize just how long it takes to hire federal employees, or reconstitute entire agencies (like CFPB).

tens of thousands of people forced out, thousands of research grants and projects canceled, hundreds of programs stifled...

this is the end of the federal government as we know it, and it will take a generation (20+ yrs) of back to back Democrat administrations to rebuild it. that's not going to happen.

the oligarchs won dude. kids growing up today will never know how much has been lost. the corporate media will make sure all they know is 'we've always been at war with eastasia''

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Clinton, Dubya, Obama, and Trump all went into office with Congress and lost it at the mid-terms, and as we saw with the Muslim ban,

Lost what at the mid-terms? Congress? You think he needs Congress to do all of this shit? Have you been paying attention?

There is no rule-of-law. No structure to these systems. It's just pure defiance at whatever "social norms" are holding this house of cards together.

Nobody is putting up a reasonable fight with these EOs, so they just happen. Elon just wanders into government buildings and systems without criminal charges. No police action. No hard punishments.

And whatever fighting back is occurring in the courts, where we will never see a settlement before the courts themselves get dismantled before our eyes.

We're fucked. Stop using past history as a guide.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

All these firings are likely going to result in classaction lawsuits, and the judiciary (so far) has been very responsive to Trump’s power grabs. You’ll recall they shut him down on DOGE’s Treasury incursion, birthright citizenship, and the funding freeze. (Among others)

Yeah, good luck with that in 2-4 years, when those lawsuits pan out. And then they get appealed to the Supreme Court, where the GOP-majority lapdogs say "yessir" and rule in favor of chaos.

We couldn't even get Trump convicted of criminal charges in time. What makes you think the judiciary is going to save us?

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 days ago (1 children)

You may want a more recent news update before you claim the judiciary has been responsive. Judge Tanya Chutkan, the same one who ruled against insurrection charges "because we don't prosecute sitting presidents", just blocked the multi-state lawsuit requesting DOGE be restrained.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/18/politics/doge-temporary-restraining-order-chutkan/index.html

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Holy shit, I called it.

I thought they’d have Congress do it, but this was more efficient, so yay?

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Who needs Congress when the supreme Court is behind you?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 days ago (1 children)

They already know the Supreme Court is too slow. By the time it lands on their desk, the damage was already done a long time ago.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

And the supreme Court will also side with them anyways. It's been stacked conservative over the years on purpose. When you lose the courts you lose the country. Look at what has happened with India and Pakistan over the years with their meddling with their legal systems.

[–] [email protected] 40 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (2 children)

So it seems like CNN doesn't follow the news of the day do they? To my recollection Trump had DOGE actions covered under the Presidential Records system so they are classified for a number of years and not allowed to be requested by FOIA requests until that time passes. So as of now their request would just be denied anyway.

You know, Totally Transparent Government™©® things... Definitely not doing anything wrong that needs to be hidden right?

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Slight clarification, presidential records are subject to foia a few years after the presidency. But yes, transparent in the way that Elon "jail CNN for badmouthing doge" musk is a free speech absolutist.

The Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) applies to the Presidential Records Act (PRA) five years after the President has left office.

https://www.archives.gov/news/topics/presidential-records-act

EDIT: thinking about this more, you can definitely foia the clearances he had from SpaceX contracts. You know, back when he smoked weed on Joe Rogans podcast and got absolutely no consequences.

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[–] CaptDust 27 points 3 days ago

💩 coming soon

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

🎶 Doo doo doo🎶 its an oligarchy 🎶 doo doo doo 🎶 it's happening right now 🎶 tell your friends.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I'm confused with the "doo doo doo", so I'm just gonna read your comment to the tune of "baby shark"

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

Here I'll add the notes emoji

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 days ago

This was planned and on purpose.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

How convenient, considering one of the extremely few checks we have available on DOGE destructive powers is FOIA requests.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago

It's hard to keep track of everything getting killed.

With this one now the transparency they're touting so much has been cut off at source. What next?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 days ago
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