“Expected to conclude in August”
Government needs to be MUCH faster if they have any hope of prevailing here. Slow rolling ain’t gonna do shit.
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It's apparent you all haven't been auditors. These systems are massive, and a real audit (not the bullshit faux-audits that DOGE is supposedly doing) takes thousands and thousands of man-hours on massive systems. Yes, DOGE has only been around for less than a month, but they've setup unauthorized systems and servers all over the fucking government. I can imagine what they've done at the Treasury Dept is going to take a lot of careful work and study to trace everything and generate a full report with actual artifacts.
That being said, at my job, we've had to comply with spontaneous audits on our network of over 100,000 devices (servers, workstations, appliances, etc) and have had it all completed within 2 months with around ~50 people working full-time. August is a tad extreme, but I'm guessing with such a sensitive system, they're going to want it to be extremely thorough.
I don't care. Six months is an insane time frame relative to the impacts and is honestly feeding into Musk et al's narrative about government inefficiency. I understand a thorough audit takes time, but set a goal to release a preliminary report by end of March with an overview of major findings and then release the full report by June. But then they might have to work overtime...
Otherwise they might as well throw their report directly in the trash because it'll end up being the Mueller and Smith investigations all over again: too late to matter.
You also have to consider they have to get a contract and/or government employee team together to do the audit. If they go the contract route, that entails doing a Request For Proposal and the proper bidding process.
Government is slow because it's supposed to be transparent with proper accountability along every step. DOGE/Trump/etc all comparing government to private business is extremely stupid for numerous reasons, because they both serve wildly different purposes and have vastly different objectives. Anyone that wants the government to be more like how a private business operates is a fucking idiot.
Yeah, rush audits... What could go wrong?
I can articulate exactly what will go wrong with a slow audit: absolute irrelevance. High likelihood, high severity.
Can you articulate as clearly what will go wrong with moving with urgency?
You can't be nearly as thorough as needed if you rush, and this is probably something we'll only get one chance to do.
This is the problem. It is much faster and easier to destroy than it is to create (or preserve).
it is a joke that they require six months to audit an organization which has been around for a month and mainly ran by a bunch of kids
They are auditing the security of the payment system, not DOGE directly.
Monday's headline: Treasury Inspector General locked out of their offices office and fired by Trump administration
Goodbye treasury department lol
Yeah, an audit. That'll teach 'em
I mean... you can really fuck an operation up with an audit. If you have enough backing that the organization being audited can't get rid of you, then you can basically grind everything to a halt and get dirt on everyone involved. They better be prepared for all the retaliatory shit they're gonna be targeted with though.
This is the first step of just freezing everything that Musk's group of cronies is trying to do. It's a good first step because it has some official authority. I just hope the Democrats start throwing out "if you're not doing anything wrong then you have nothing to hide!" when the shit hits the fan.
I mean, in theory yes... but what of an organization that apparently doesn't listen to courts?
You're thinking about the results of the audit, the final report, which a court might use to apply consequences after the fact. That'll be good documentation to have, but it isn't the real benefit.
The real benefit is getting inside the organization, getting in the way of whatever they're currently doing, making them explain what they're doing while they're doing it, keeping tabs on everybody, making them feel watched. The benefit is slowing them down right now, for as long as the audit goes on. If they obstruct the audit, I hope the auditors drag their feet and make everything take longer, and extend the audit for another year or two. Question everything, be the most annoying looking-over-your-shoulder assholes they can be.
Everybody is missing half the facts here. The audit is of the Treasury system, not DOGE.
not if the audit is expected to conclude at the end of fucking August. Doge has been around for a month and you want half a year to audit them? do a mock audit while you are at it too?
Well, look at that. Musky’s lil coup department just found fraud at the Inspector General’s office.