Yes, fucking, PLEASE.
Sick of our tax dollars supporting these fucking deadbeat ass states like Arkansas,Louisiana, Alabama and Mississippi.
Also Louisiana, Arkansas, and Mississippi all smell like a fucking asshole because of all the paper mills.
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As a Washingtonian, I would unironically support this. I'm sick of being forced to fund a fucking genocide.
As a resident of British Columbia, I would support this with the sole condition that we all use only the metric system.
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That would immediately launch it into the #2 spot of countries by GDP. I'm down for that 🤣
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Just FYI Canadians, don’t get fooled when people say California is “leftist”. Check out recent referendum results, they voted against abolishing slavery (for prisoners) and in favour of the death penalty for example. They are only “leftist” in relation to the neofacist US’s overton window.
Yes, as a Californian leftist, our government has always been more interested in money than people, and it will continue to be a problem. NIMBYs will be the death of us.
Canada's prisoners work on average for 30¢ an hour. I don't think they car about prison slavery there.
Canada doesn’t have private for profit prisons and the difference in the quality of life shows.
Do you think Canada is on average that much more leftist than California? Canada has plenty of Trump supporters and they aren't even US citizens.
California has a rural state within it that's called The State Of Jefferson and it's very rural and conservative. You can just cut that part out of Cascadia
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I personally support all of Canada amd the US breaking into smaller countries but with an EU style freedom of movement and trade deal.
Texas immediately invades smallest Southern states
I don't think that's quite how it would play out.
Texas has long been aching to leave the US. They've setup all sorts of their infrastructure and economy to not be dependent on the rest of the US.
Many southern states, particularly Oklahoma, fantasize that they're part of that. When Texas leaves, they will expect to join. But Texas views them as freeloaders.
It's possible Texas invades to steal resources, but they don't want the land or the people. More likely it's the reverse - The poor states (now extremely poor, since they won't be getting all that juicy federal money) will be envious of Texas's wealth, and may invade to claim some of it for themselves.
I just wish they would stop threatening to leave, and just don't finally, so we can wall them off.
A d Texas won't, because their "giant economy" is all federal funded aerospace and defense.
I remember how much they whined when Fort Cavazos was considering shutting down. Three cities would have died almost overnight if it happened.
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So, this was pushed for a while and was later discovered to be Chinese propaganda. But it holds water is the thing.
Breaking into smaller counties isn't the solution because you lose economies of scale and inefficient trade. Which was why China pushed it, to leave themselves and the EU as the largest single economies in the world.
The real solution is to regionalize block of states and instead of having one head of state as President, a council of state like Switzerland with a rotating chair that functions as the ceremonial head of state.
But that would take a new constitution...
But that would take a new constitution… Yeah, its a good that the thing that is only a couple centries old has been updated to match modern times and all.
Ironic when you consider that the people who would cry foul and act all offended the most if you ever were to suggest thinking about changing the entire constitution, have no issue with blatantly ignoring it entirely when it suits them.
Almost like the people who follow and believe in it the most are the only ones about to get mega dicked.
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As a Washingtonian, I’m totally okay with this.
Same here, this sounds like the best thing I dare hope for at this point
Can you please bring the Northeast in as well? NY and Toronto are already buds, and Niagara Falls has one foot in each
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Ok, but we made a promise in the past to take Alaska and Hawaii with us too.
It's super convenient because Hawaii and Alaska are in boxes just off the west coast on maps.
Never forget
Never going to happen. The USA will not let CA leave.
Or any other state
True but few are as important as CA.
So, I think this could happen. Trump and Musk are just trying to speedrun smashing the administrative state; it's difficult to overstate the enormity of the damage they're going to do to the federal government's ability to govern over the next two months. Laying off all these administrators and closing their offices is going to create a glut of administrators at the same time as it creates a demand for administrative capacity to make up for what the feds dropped. Plus, they're going to want to stop California, but how will they when they've gone and replaced every competent person in the DOJ/DOD/FBI/CIA with incompetent stooges?
California has an advanced enough administrative state to handle breaking off, jokes aside. California also has the economy. Here's the kicker: California has the geography. California would be a complete bitch to invade; for most of the coastline, the mountains (hills, as the locals call them, but they ARE mountains) just run right into the ocean, and the ocean is notoriously a bastard for much of that coastline; as for an overland route, there's basically, like, three big highways that cross the Sierra Nevadas to inland Cali. A couple of big bombs or cal fire bulldozers would make short work of them. Plus, California has a LOT of agriculture to support itself with. Basically, the one weak spot is water supply, and we could be doing a lot better than we are if we just tightened up on our industrial, livestock, and rich dumbass consumption.
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The National Post seems to have taken down the article so linking to archive.is
Elizabeth May says a lot of things I like, but also comes out with bizarro-world shit like this
It was mostly a joke I'm sure, but a good retort :)
Taking away 74 reliable Democratic electoral college votes would permanently throw the US to the Republicans.
Texas (40) and Florida (30) would steamroller New York (28) and Illinois (19).
Yup. Guess those who want to stay out of a Repub hell-hole would want to move to Cascadia (or more realistically, an enlarged Canada) while they still could, then.
Last election did that. If you think there will continue to be free and democratic elections in US after Trump you are mistaken. Those college votes are no longer going to matter.
While true, this is pretty much gonna happen anyway. Next census, if the GOP is still in control they'll exclude non-citizens from the counts and pretty much make up numbers. Who knew the entire West Coast was 30% non-citizen!
So, instead of Canada becoming the 51st state, the suggestion is that Canada just loses BC? How about we dismiss all the options where Canada loses territory?
Also, if BC seceded, it would only be a matter of time before Quebec did too.
I'm not fundamentally against the idea of states splitting off or joining up. There's no reason that the configuration of countries should always stay as they are in 2025. But, the reasons should be good. If there truly is a "Cascadian" culture, then yeah, maybe a nice separation agreement could be negotiated that's fair to everyone. But, having spent time in Vancouver, Seattle, San Fransisco and LA, I sure don't see it. The cultural difference even between SF and LA is pretty huge. And, I can't imagine that most people in BC would be keen to accept the guns of America, and the lack of free health care. Or, going the other way, would Americans be willing to give up their guns to join Cascadia?
It just seems to me that every time the world adds borders or moves borders, the result is conflict. I hope that over time there are fewer borders, and that the borders matter less. But, the only way to do it while avoiding war is really to do it slowly.
The "Cascadia" idea wouldn't be viable IMO. It would be better for all to just add the newcomers to an enlarged Canada. (I 100% wouldn't want B.C. to leave Canada, just to be clear, nor any Canadian territories to be 'exchanged' or lost).
I'd be against any absorption that brought US gun ideology to Canada... if they're splitting from the US, they'd better be doing so for the goals of taking on the more pacifist and commensalist Canadian values.
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The REMNANTS of the US would be fucked without the regular contributions of CA and tech folks based in WA. Most (or is it all?) red states are net takers (pull more from government than they contribute back) while publicly whining about welfare. Fuck around and find out....
As a Californian I'll say that if they want to take our rights and go home, we'll take our money and go home.
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