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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

If you’re falling to the myth of being a strong independent … person …. Pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps, solar and wind are local energy sources without foreign dependencies, and scale both up and down. This should be right up their ally.

I don’t want to be on the Texas electrical grid because of all their blackouts: Deisel generators are noisy and I have to depend on someone to fill the tanks, but I can put solar on my roof and batteries on the side of the garage and be independent. Zero fuel costs. zero have to depend on anyone. —— why isn’t this their line?

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 hours ago

Because it is change and visibility they are concerned with. Not the things they claim.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

Supporters likes kickback from oil subsidies, fossil fuel deregulation, and supression of competitive technology. That's the angle.

...Maybe solar/wind companies should name themselves things like "Exon"

[–] [email protected] 4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

They like geothermal though, for the simple reason that it's actually cheaper in the long run. Also solar is nice because you can live off the grid. But otherwise it's not very popular among conservatives because the cost effectiveness in the long term isn't quite there. They aren't motivated by the idea of green energy, it's a simple cost calculation.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 3 hours ago)

But that's completely bullshit. Solar and wind are so fantastically cheap that finding a way to deal with the capacity factor isn't a big deal.

The new geothermal solutions are impressive and should open up a lot more possibilities, but don't assume they're being honest about any of it. They've advocated for nuclear for decades without actually building new nuclear plants.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 16 hours ago

The "right" aren't right though, they're wrong. They should be called "far-wrong" instead of "far-right", imo, as their stances on many things show.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 15 hours ago

Tell them that they need to stop using wind and solar or else in 100 yesrs we'll run out of wind and sunshine. We're talking about "adults" who have the toddler mentality of "DON'T TELL ME NO 😡".

[–] [email protected] 14 points 18 hours ago
[–] [email protected] 47 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

wind and solar are not popular for conservatives because they were left talking points first. which obviously means it's wrong, libtards owned yet again

[–] jballs 10 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

Their biggest problem is that there's not big money in them. Once you have solar power on your house, you don't need to keep paying them every month. Where's the fun in that for the rich?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Donald Trump also said that they'll run out of wind if they start wind power farms.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 23 minutes ago

So he thinks humans can affect the environment? Sus

[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago

You might find you can fuel your car with solar. This is America, if you don't make more money to pay your extortionist, you're a douchebag.

[–] blockheadjt 1 points 12 hours ago

Ding ding ding

[–] [email protected] 3 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

If you go far enough right, solar and wind are extremely popular. Very much leads to some weirdness when I was researching solar for my house, and kept stumbling into prepper communities and the like.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

Go far enough left, get your guns back. Go far enough right, get your clean energy back.

[–] [email protected] 64 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To be fair, wind is also a form of solar power. (Wind being caused by the difference in heat between the different hemispheres/poles & the rotation of the earth)

So wind & solar power are indirect & direct long-range nuclear energy sources, respectively.

[–] [email protected] 28 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

In the end, all power is solar power

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Tides and nuclear power aren't.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

That comes from the energy from earth's rotation. That energy is left over from the formation of the sun.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 minutes ago

Left over from the formation of the solar system, not the sun.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 18 hours ago (2 children)

Plus nuclear wouldn't work without fissionable elements, which wouldn't be here without supernovae aka dying suns.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

So nuclear power is not like solar at all….. it’s GALACTIC POWER! maybe COSMIC POWER!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

I suppose it depends on the definition, but yeah - GALACTIC POWER

[–] [email protected] 1 points 27 minutes ago

And you always need to say it in that booming overly enthusiastic voice. It works whether you’re a superhero or a supervillain

[–] [email protected] 4 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Which is why we need to finally develop fusion, to free us from the tyranny of power of stellar origin!

...if you ignore the fact that fusion is basically replicating what a star does, that is

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

"Watch and dispair, oh mighty stars, how we have enslaved your children to release us from your tyranny!"

[–] [email protected] 11 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

What if the left "cancels" solar because its power source causes cancer? Also, something something starts fires in blue states.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

I heard that sunlight causes rainbows.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago

Woke DEI bs is everywhere!

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 19 hours ago

Get the left to protest and Pickett against solar and wind. Say it’s fascist nonsense. The right will jump on it

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 day ago (2 children)

"Actually Natural Gas" "Orbital Fusion"

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

I mean Natural Gas is as natural as Iron or Coal. The problem is extracting and burning it is causing issues.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

That’s why we couldn’t end dst, calling it the sunshine protection act.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 day ago (4 children)

I'm honestly wondering this. Renewables reduce dependency on foreign countries, so using them can be interpreted as a patriotic act. They make sense, geostrategically, not just for saving earth but also for reducing the leverage other countries have over yours. This could be something that both, green activists and nationalists, can jointly agree on. I don't get it.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I think the problem, as it often is, is big businesses lobbying for continued relevancy at the cost of societal progress.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

This. Tbh most conservatives I've talked to say shit like "solar would be great if it were viable/cheaper to install," they're not against it really, they just don't think it works well enough yet, which is largely due to the efforts of lobbyists.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Energy Dominance! is new buzz word. You are right that "energy security" best solution is to never have to pay for fuel again. Such talk is woke radical left climate alarmist talk, even though that was the word the O&G industry told us to reduce reliance on energy imports.

Energy dominance means the goal is to destroy the planet, but think of the shareholder value created by extorting the planet into US approved energy consumption. War and extortion are just more radial left woke words to distract from achieving energy dominance.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Still, wouldn’t it make sense in their logic to take more like the Norway route? Locally sourced renewables for me, while snaring other countries awith GLOBAL ENERGY DOMINANCE. ( sorry but I can’t write this without the booming evil villain cartoon voice)

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

Locally sourced renewables for me, while snaring other countries with GLOBAL ENERGY DOMINANCE.

Biden used this approach, but US empire plan was always to prefer energy dominance at cost of global destruction. There was just some naive hope that US could dominate clean energy too, no matter how slow it was. Biden's choice of a war on Russia is purposeful global destruction to enrich US oil industry so that they could fund GOP harder, and have "democracy to blame" for all of the alternate drilling done in world.

While US made solar/wind and batteries is still cheaper than new FF plants+ fuel costs, subsidizing them to not buy even cheaper Chinese options, is preferring climate terrorism to energy security. War, and warmongering choices for war, is climate terrorism prioritizing anti human massive diesel use and new production instead of considering human sustainability.

That Americans pay more for energy and insurance and rebuilding, is good for oligarchy and "superficial" (GDP) economy. Genuine American manufacturing and personal cost of living are sacrificed.

The logic of subsidizing uncompetitive local industry is only valid if it creates a future of competitiveness. Otherwise there is no export potential, though almost competitive status is enough to get legitimate sales with shipping time/cost advantages over imports. The logic of political bribery from oligarchs who prefer to protect the asset values and profits means that "national/human good" has zero relevance to outcomes.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 18 minutes ago

Maybe we never could have competed with the much cheaper cost of manufacturing in China, but clean energy production in the US has been a comedy of errors, a pattern of throwing out our advantages, a habit of outsourcing to China

  • You might think the huge investments from the infrastructure act of 2022 are too little too late to competed with a well established supply chain elsewhere, and you’d be right.
  • You might think Trump's tariffs are not useful but more out of personal ego and you’d be right.

But the US funded a lot of research and development in clean energy technology over decades, we funded manufacturing over decades. Then we gave up on domestics manufacturing. We outsourced. Instead of staying the course to build a domestic industry, We threw away our investment and our advantages, leaving it to someone else to build the industry. Now we tried paying for it again, now that the cost is much higher, but oops, we did it again: we throw away the billions that have been spent, the goal that made it worth those billions.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 17 hours ago

The mistake was applying logic to a position they didn’t use logic to arrive at. Their talking heads say renewables bad. The thought process ended there.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

Even works down to the state level. My state, Wisconsin, has no coal mines, no oil wells, and no natural gas wells. The closest thing we have to any of it is the best sand for fracking. Otherwise, every dollar of energy we spend ends up leaving the state one way or another.

Unless, that is, we do something intelligent, like building an offshore wind farm on Lake Michigan. Though I'm sure someone will complain that we're killing the whales.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 20 hours ago

Bunch of NIMSS types on the right. Doubt they'd go for "far-field nuclear"

Now, something like "Ultra far east super nuclear warhead"...that might work.

[–] Alk 12 points 1 day ago (12 children)

Does the right like nuclear? I thought they didn't. It's pretty clean efficient energy, though it has been overtaken in recent years by wind and solar for cost.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 hours ago

I’m not too big a fan of nuclear due to the cost. I imagine the right salivating at the opportunity to extract billions of dollars per project

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

They like nuclear and hate regulation, so that’s a match made in heaven for disasters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 13 hours ago

free market safe nuclear energy!

[–] ActuallyGoingCrazy 12 points 1 day ago

The right likes nuclear when they can drop it on someone.

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