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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Isn't easier to just... stop buying eggs?

Won't the prices come down if people, you know, stop pushing demand for them?

Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism.

[–] earphone843 58 points 1 month ago (2 children)

You say that like we don't import a fuck ton of our produce from Mexico.

Everything is about to get way more expensive.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 month ago

This is why backyard and community gardens are about to get a whole lot more important. A few of us have been trying to convince my job to set one up and I'm hoping tariffs are the push we need to get it done.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Won't prices come down if people, you know, stop buying vegetables?

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Agree.

There is a great push towards this stuff. Mostly trough the meat industry whos products getting shittier by the day.

A good meal is texture + flavor. As long as you give me the texture and flavor I want I couldn't care less how it is accomplished.

And if I have the choice between 2 products who are equal in texture and flavor, I pick the option that caused less suffering in the world.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It's not even a push. My elderly mother was telling me about her elderly friends who were going on "missions" to find eggs where they spent tons of gas driving around all day just trying to find eggs to buy since they're scarce.

It floored me. I literally said to her "do they not understand if they stop buying them the demand will decrease and so will the price?" She shrugged and agreed that it was really foolish and wasteful.

Some people are just really ingrained in their habits and don't even consider changing things like this in their lives.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago (5 children)

I recently was at a friends house and they had made vegan chilli, NGL best chilli I've ever had.

I agree with you on your food preference and it's like a breath of fresh air encountering someone who thinks the same way about food.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Seriously not a bad time to consider vegetarianism or veganism

But eggs are vegetarian. Avoiding meat is easy, but eggs are in a ton of recipes and not all of them work with egg substitutes

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[–] Gigliorananomicom 43 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Wait until vegans find out how much of their food comes from Mexico

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Don't forget how much US based farms depend on migrant workers.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

That doesn’t help your statement at all. Between the tariffs on imported foods and the lack of migrant workers on domestic farms, vegetable prices are going to skyrocket in a way that could potentially make egg prices look tame… but I guess that’s “none of my business”

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago

Good thing only vegans eat vegetables.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Farm animals are also typically fed with produce these days. Grazing has become largely the exception, because the animals take longer to grow. As such, when produce prices go up, animal product prices will likely climb higher.

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[–] pugsnroses77 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

i dont really get why people have so much resistance when switching foods. seasons and shortages have existed since people started agriculture and when something becomes scarce, you pivot and eat what youve got. if there was some bizarre soy disease and tofu becomes expensive, im just gonna buy lentils 🤷

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

People are creature comforted and they literally don't know how to live without those creature comforts, so instead of considering changing anything in their lives they just double down and do stupid shit to get a hold of those creature comforts. Fucking addicts.

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[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 month ago (9 children)

Who cares that people are experiencing food insecurity due to egg prices because being vegan just makes us better than them am I right?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'm sure that if they look really hard in the store there are cheap bags of dried beans that would go a lot further than eggs even before the price increase.

People facing food insecurity due to egg prices increasing are relying too much on one source of nourishment.

[–] hornywarthogfart 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

It feels disingenuous to approach this topic with the view that the eggs are the problem and people need to just eat fewer eggs.

The problem is the food cost increases and the eggs are just one example. It's called nuance and we've lost our ability to understand it. Stop trying to blame consumers for this when it is driven by profits.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Vegan is better. Go try and prove me wrong. Try from an ethical standpoint and a economical, and nutritional. Find an angle to argue that plant based diets aren't better for everyone.

Sitting in my chair, understanding that factory farming is propped up with government funding, and raising chickens to lay eggs is a really inefficient way to produce protein. All the space and energy to collect chicken periods and the first step is to throw half the baby chicks in a grinder because they have a dick. I can watch a video of tofu being made and not loose my appetite.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

I agree that vegan is better from an ethical standpoint. That doesn't somehow make it OK to celebrate families suddenly having to deal with food insecurity. Have some empathy for people for fucks sake.

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[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It’s kinda our business too because people are still forcing birds into confined spaces and making them sick, and being vegan is a stance against that.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I'd even argue that higher prices on eggs would make people cram more birds into the same spaces just to produce more eggs and make more money

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 month ago

You don't have to be vegan to make a tofu scramble.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Uh oh, you've stirred up the armchair nutritionists again! Here to tell us how nutritionally deficient a plant-based diet is!

[–] Croquette 9 points 1 month ago (16 children)

The issue is that for a lot of poor people, eggs were a great and easy way to get proteins.

Vegan diet is absolutely viable for the vast majority of people. However, the access to quality vegan food to all the population isn't there yet.

Food desert are real and at least eggs were easier to get there than dried beans and rice. And that options is getting out of reach for a lot of people.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (11 children)

Hmmm… this might be exactly my take when vegans start to pay more because trump decided to flood the farms that produce a big part of their diet. Or when they realize that Mexico and Canada produce a lot of it as well.

Maybe it’s best not to be a smug asshole about things because things have a way of coming back around….

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 month ago (1 children)

[...] the farms that produce a big part of their diet.

Those farms produce the majority of your calories as well, btw.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Looks like none of us should be smug assholes about it then, eh?

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

It is our business though, because when all those omnis come down with the latest zoonotic bird flu they endanger the entire population. And if the population did actually opt for tofu scrambles you just know that the industry would jack up the price of our cheap tofu.

Not to even mention, if you're vegan then factory farming is always your business, ideologically speaking.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (6 children)

Any recommendations for a good source of omega 3 fatty acids for a plant based diet?

I think you'd probably need more than in an animal based diet since plant based fats and oils have way more omega 6 then animal based fats which can fuck up the balance.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

The opposite is true, o3/6 exist in balance. If you don’t eat any omega3 your body gets a lot better at converting o6. Vegans get better omega readings than people who eat fish 2-3x a week.

Ground flax in cooking and you’re sorted

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

There's loads, my best recommendations are algea oil or sea weed, soya, nuts, seeds take your pick.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Meanwhile, Just Eggs alternative is still eight fucking dollars and climbing.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Can anyone familiar with veganism answer me a curiosity?

Would someone who's vegan be fine with owning their own chickens and using them for eggs? If you're not engaging in the marketplace for them, you can absolve yourself of the suffering egg laying hens in factory farms could be experiencing, but I'm not sure how the 'suffer free because I raised them' plays into the belief/practice.

[–] naught 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

Veganism is a philosophy about animal exploitation. Vegans don't even eat honey because it is an animal product. If you eat eggs from a back yard chicken, you are still participating in the exploitation of that animal and feeding systems which further exploit animals. Some detailed further reading:
https://theminimalistvegan.com/backyard-eggs/

So no, a vegan would not do this. Though, what OP said about nomenclature remains true - some people are loose with the terms

e: a word

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Would it be exploitation to give food, shelter, love, companionship etc in exchange for the eggs?

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Veganism isn't a religion, it's a label people use to self identity as not eating anything from animals.

Every person decides for themselves what counts. I'm sure there are people who identify as vegan that are ok with backyard chicken eggs, and there are ones that don't.

There is a whole industry around providing the chickens that people purchase for their backyards, and that industry has to sort the male chickens from the female, and then destroy the males. You can't really participate in purchasing chickens without being involved in that aspect, which most vegans would object to, even if the chickens that live with them would be treated humanely.

There's also some vegans who are fine with honey, and some that aren't.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 month ago

This has been discussed thousands of times online so I don't feel the need to type out a very long answer.

The pure existence of modern day chickens is animal abuse. The closest known relative to the modern day chicken lays about 10-15 or so eggs a year. Modern day chickens lay eggs daily. It is extremely hard on their body, they have been selectively bred to provide output with no care for their wellbeing.

That being said, if a vegan were to rescue a chicken or something, and it produces eggs, the best you can do is usually feed them back to it. I know that sounds weird but if you feed the chicken back its own eggs, it helps recuperate lost nutrients, and they love it.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (1 children)

I agree with what the others said, but I just want to point out that this 'model' vegan isn't nearly as important as you might think. You don't get a prize or hivemind access or whatever for conforming to some exact criteria. It's ultimately just a convenient label to summarize that you've made certain moral choices. Well, and to easily identify products that work well with your choices. But making those choices is very much each person's own adventure.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Other than the vegan powers of course

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 month ago (4 children)

It really depends on the type of "vegan". Some people are in it for the dietary benefits and others are in it for the animal welfare. Dietary is actually "plant based" but most people just say vegan, even it it doesn't quite fit.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago

You would need to buy the chicken from somewhere. You would only buy the female chicken, because you want the eggs. There would still be male chickens that no one wants, except for reproduction. That would at least be my logic so I'd say no.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 month ago (8 children)

Ok so, i understand that it's way more than it used to be but... Is $10 for a dosen really THAT bad? Are People using eggs literally every meal or something? I LITERALLY heard someone complaining about this while grabbing some at costco. Like genuinely upset and acting like they can never have eggs again while they have a cart easily pushing $400 of stuff not all of which is food.

I feel like everyone is strangely focused on eggs when there are way worse things going through the roof

[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Eggs WERE one of the cheapest sources of protein available, so a lot of people depended on them since meat was so expensive. Now even that is taken from us.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 month ago

I quit eating eggs in late 2018. At the time, a dozen eggs were well south of $2. I don't think prices increased much until COVID hit. So that's ~$2 to ~$10 in five years. Given that eggs and milk are staple foods, I can see why people would be highly concerned.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago (2 children)

uh yeah 10 bucks for a dozen is pretty fucking horrible, they cost only slightly more than a tenth of that here in sweden.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 month ago

Yes and yes. I buy them from a farm, they're cheap and delicious. I have eggs for breakfast and I have eggs as a snack in the evening

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