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"Liberal: How can you go to bed at night after promoting violence? I get that they're Nazis but it's still violence.

Me:"

Bellow is an image of Homer Simpson asleep, tucked in to a cosy looking bed with a big contented smile on his face.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 8 hours ago

Nonviolence is a social agreement. If you don't promote violence against others, neither will I promote violence against you.

Since that premise doesn't hold for Nazis, the conclusion doesn't restrain me either.

[–] explodicle 6 points 7 hours ago

I roll my eyes real hard when moderates oversimplify to just "violence". As if genocide and defense against genocide are morally equivalent in the slightest.

It's a coward's way to sound principled while pretending state violence isn't violence.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 9 hours ago

I'm sure most of the Allied Soldiers slept just fine after the war was over. (apart from those with PTSD of course)

[–] [email protected] 12 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (6 children)

I'm confused. I think of myself as a progressive liberal, and I think that people who threaten a tolerant society should be destroyed. This includes Nazis. Kill on sight. What about this isn't liberalism? Am I a dumbass?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I think they meant "neo-liberal"

[–] [email protected] 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

They mean β€œI made a meme about protecting liberties with violence from the safety of my home, but would never actually act on the claimed beliefs which make me feel self superior to others.”

[–] explodicle 1 points 7 hours ago

Really unless they write a full confession, they're just posers. /s

[–] [email protected] 5 points 18 hours ago

I don't know where you are but in America a "liberal progressive" is understood by most of the population to be someone pretty far left. In far left places on the Internet (socialist groups, Marxist groups, anarchist groups) a "liberal" is a person that supports capitalism. So lefties hate liberals.

Also using the r-word is NOT cool.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 19 hours ago

Bad actors and idiots who think things aren't bad or can't get worse. That's who's saying these things. Some people weren't personally effected by Trump and have no empathy for anyone who was, but watch Daily Show to feel good about themselves.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 18 hours ago

If nothing else, you certainly are an ableist, and ableists don't get my time of day.

[–] snugglesthefalse 3 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Liberally applying violence to a problem.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

When fascism comes knock'en, it's best to just dock'em

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 day ago

Nazi lives dont matter

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Bash the fasc

They're trying to label antifa as a terrorist org. Think about that for a second.

Edit: thanks to @[email protected] it's come to my attention that this is not widely covered. Link to the bill is below

https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-resolution/26

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 day ago (1 children)

What boggles my mind is, I can't find any articles talking about it. I had to read the actual document submitted to Congress.

It's complicity in the media is what it is.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This is the big problem with centrist media fact checkers: paltering doesn't count towards the tallying of deceptions.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

They don't want to be seen as sympathetic in any way to scary terrorist antifa. The mainstream media is compromised.

These fuckers in the new regime are trying to go after NPR for fuck's sake, which if anything sanewashed Trump extensively. Just reporting the words he said is not biased.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

fucking morons. antifa is a concept, not a "org" like the proud pussy boys

the bad thing is they can label anyone they want as "antifa" then detain them without any actual charges.

"that's illegal!!!"

yea. and?

habeas corpus, due process, "innocent until proven guilty" -- bid farewell to all that, and anything else that was protecting you from them and not the other way around

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Pretty sure β€œinnocent until proven guilty” has been out the window for decades. How many people are currently locked up before their trial? I can name at least one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

I don't want to speak against my hero but people have been locked up pretrial for the entire history of the country. I'm not defending the practice really, it's just innocent until proven guilty refers to the trial part.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 day ago (4 children)

be safe people

mask up
gloves
leave your phone at home
and ffs don't post about it --anywhere

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

If you're organizing use E2E comms and if you're researching use Tor Browser. Better yet use a Tails USB on a coffee shop wifi.

https://www.tomsguide.com/how-to/how-to-use-signal

https://www.torproject.org/download/

https://tails.net/doc/first_steps/index.en.html

And don't communicate over email, even encrypted email.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 day ago (1 children)

"just leave fascism to fester and spread until it requires another world war, that's much less violent"

Makes total sense.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Violence against Nazi isn't violence, it's exercising your civic duty.

Punch a local nazi today!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 8 hours ago

Punch a local nazi today!

Too bad, I can't find any in my area. It's at least +50 against the fascist (in favor of the neoliberal), if a nazi shows up in my area, they are getting beaten.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago

The only good authoritarian is a dead one.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

Nazis aren't people.

"B-b-but you're not better, you're dehumanizing them and they are people with thoughts and feefees!"

Fuck them - if you're a literal Nazi, you're no better than a rabid dog and should be killed.

πŸ‘

[–] [email protected] 11 points 22 hours ago (3 children)

The point of not dehumanising them isn't to spare their feelings, nor to avoid "sinking to their level", it's because dehumanising them removes their responsability and accountability for their own actions, as well as ignores the systemic nature of the issues we're facing, making it entirely counterproductive.

They very much ARE people, people who are choosing to harm other people for their own gain because we live under systems, invented designed implemented and enforced by people that actively and deliberately encourage them to do so, for the ultimate benefit of said hand full of people.

Rabid dogs have no choice, they are not responsible for their actions, they have no way out of their condition, and ultimately when they die, unless they bit another animal, the problem will not persist, none of which can be said for nazis.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 19 hours ago

Nazism is a self chosen path. They're choosing to ignore basic human instinct for cooperation to feel better about their own inadequacies. They're dehumanizing themselves.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 17 hours ago

I didn't get no sleep cuz of ya'all! So ya'all ain't gon' get no sleep cuz of meeeee!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Copypasting this comment I copied from lemmy a couple months ago. ~~Sorry OP I can’t remeber who you are.~~

β€œOne of the core tenants of neoliberal education is that violence is always wrong, it's never the answer, etc. They repeat it so often and in so many places because it's at obvious odds with the state. They use violence against us so often and on such wide scales that their only option is to convince that it's not violence.

Over producing with limited resources is violence. Throwing away food while people starve is violence. Leaving buildings empty while people die of the cold on the street is violence. Preventing the sick and dying from accessing healthcare is violence. Evicting people from their homes is violence. Depriving the chronically ill and physically disabled of the means of survival because they can't generate capital for capitalists is violence. Climate change is violence.

The truth is that they deeply fear what we would do if we actually recognized all those things as violence. They do literally everything in their power to prevent us from achieving class consciousness. They have infected literally every single facet of society in an effort to keep us from seeing each other as human.”

Edit: Nevermind I found the original comment. All credit goes to @[email protected]

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