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Polish Tourism Minister Sławomir Nitras has called for a Tesla boycott following Elon Musk’s remarks urging Germany to “move past” its Nazi history.

Musk’s comments, made during a far-right AfD campaign event, sparked outrage, particularly in Poland, which lost 6 million people in WWII.

The controversy comes ahead of Germany’s February 23 election and just before Musk’s Tesla earnings call.

As a key advisor to Trump, Musk’s stance could impact Tesla’s market position in Europe, where historical remembrance remains a sensitive issue.

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[–] [email protected] 142 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The Swedish strike is still ongoing. The German protest against their factory is still ongoing. The cyber truck can never be approved for use on roads in all of Europe. Every fourth Tesla fails the first EU-inspection. The average for all cars is 3%, so it's exceptionally bad.

I don't think a boycott is even necessary. There are enough reasons not to buy a Tesla.

[–] [email protected] 30 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

Every fourth Tesla fails the first EU-inspection. The average for all cars is 3%, so it's exceptionally bad.

I also wouldn't buy a car from that freak for various reasons but that high failure rate at the first inspection can be at least partly explained. Tesla - unlike most manufacturers - doesn't do regular inspections on their own. Most cars are checked (and repaired!) by the dealership before they get officially checked. Therefore, the 25% aren't completely comparable to the 3%.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Interesting, so they are externalizing QA to dealerships? Do they own the dealerships?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

Yes that was one of their big business model points. Saves thousands on each vehicle. Technically afaik there is no "dealership", it's their corporate store.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)

But do they really have those many qualified QAs to send to each dealership? I entered one of their dealership only once and the guy talking to me, and appearing to run everything in there, sounded like a cryptobro on coke, but that was in Sweden, so I may not have a good idea of the reality of things elsewhere.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago

At least in the US, they lock things down so heavily that they're the only one able to do most repairs, so they've got tons of people in house or for body work they'll have someone they exclusively sub-let the work to.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 week ago

It might not be necessary to stop him from selling cars in the EU, but the symbolism of it would be fantastic.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

There are soooooo many teslas and cyberfucks in the US. It's horrible

TBF, half the cyberfucks I see are broken down

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[–] [email protected] 102 points 1 week ago (7 children)

As an aside, I love the irony of that speech. Musk tells the wannabe Nazis that they can forget about the sins of their (great)grandparents.

The idiots of the AFD want to forget the past simply so they can repeat it.

They want to repeat the sins of their forefathers, they just don't want to be reminded of the consequences that followed.

[–] [email protected] 31 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Still grandparents in a lot of cases. I’m 40 and my grandfather fought the Japanese in WWII.

Plenty of people left on this planet who had grandparents on every side of that war.

Or maybe your parentheses was meant to cover both.

Yeah it was.

Fuck it. I typed it. Maybe some other idiot will read it wrong.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Hey, hey. We can start a club!

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

I somewhat disagree. They don't want to forget, they want to finish the job. They have immense pride in something they should feel shame for. That, I think, is the issue. The unwillingness to feel shame, so they replace that feeling with over-zealous pride.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago

When history teaches you to not do whatever the fuck you're about to do, forget the history.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 1 week ago (3 children)

The only way for Germany to move past its Nazi history is not to forget it but to learn from it. For Germany to truly move past its guilt it must:

  1. Ban the AfD (they're in the process) and ensure Europe is free of fascists
  2. Guide Europe toward a bright free future (they are doing this)
  3. Protect Europe from its threats and ensure no nation will ever devisate it again (they're in the process, hopefully they can establish a federal European military)
[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago

Instead of,learning from it, the guilt from it means they support genocide in Palestine, while those in the far right want to relive it. Germanys economy is not going great, which leads to more unrest.

[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (1 children)
  1. Not elect the conservative party who are starting to take up most of the AfD's program and sabotage points 1 through 3 (they're failing catastrophically when looking at polls)
[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They need to have their leadership banned

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[–] [email protected] 59 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Just ban Tesla, X and everything else owned by Elon Musk

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (1 children)

That's the first time i've ever seen it described as "ban" but I support the sentiment.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Like full ban from society, 8 billions people not talking or interacting with you. He can have food and shelter but nothing else

[–] [email protected] 53 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

The EU should impose a continent-wide ban on Tesla imports (or steep tariffs eh? Why not copy the orange peel) until Tesla offloads Musk - including buying back his shares.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago (1 children)

The EU should prepare for a trade war, but it shouldn’t take the first shot.

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[–] [email protected] 52 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Any democratic society should boycott Tesla until Musk is removed from the company.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 week ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 5 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Alternatives to spacex are Roskosmos and NASA, which buys engines from first two.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 1 week ago
[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago

Divests from.. him being investee in a company should disqualify it.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

Doesn't matter, he owns the stock and gets rich anyway.

[–] [email protected] 49 points 1 week ago (2 children)

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

And those who do, are condemned to watch the rest of them repeat it. :(

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 week ago

Those who do remember the past intentionally repeat it because they are fucking Nazis.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 1 week ago

Fascists will never ever be not guilty

[–] [email protected] 32 points 1 week ago

it's only been 80 years, these motherfuckers can't get over the US civil war after 160 years.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

Yeah, fuck Elon

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Notice how slowly step by little step extremists are pushing their agenda on the world.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago

But wait, they say it's the gays and the Jews are the ones with the agenda??

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 week ago

He's right we should move past the guilt and onto whatever it is that strips modern day Nazis of their wealth for reparations.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

I keep getting this feeling that Musk is a stooge and he sacrificed himself/was sacrificed with the Nazi salute thing as a distraction.

He doesn't give a shit about Tesla tanking, as long as he can use his new connections to ride the stock market waves through some well-planned trades (i.e. insider trading).

These guys can insider trade all they want now. Who the hell is gonna stop them? Nancy Pelosi? Lol.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nah, he's looking higher than just money. He was making a bunch of moves that the MAGA folks weren't happy about, such as getting into fights with Laura Loomer over the specifics of how they're going to fuck over everyone. A little hand gesture at a rally, and suddenly all those people are lining up to defend him.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I would say he's right if he meant Germany would move past it's Nazi guilt, stop funding a goddamn present day genocide and arrest the perpetrators of the currently ongoing one, like the ICC has told them to do.

Can you imagine, Germany standing against genocide one of these days ? That would be a grand step forward.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 week ago

As a Pole: Its funny to see hoe people in Poland is viewed by other countries vs how its actually viewed.

  1. Soon government starts program of subsidizing buying new EVs. Teslas are not excluded. Its basically poor financing rich's new cars.

https://www.gov.pl/web/nfosigw/program-naszeauto-do-40-tys-zl-doplaty-do-samochodu-elektrycznego

  1. Main opposition party demands deposition from minister who made unfortunate slip of the tounge and didnt immediately correct herself on international conference on 80th anniversary of liberating of the largest concentration camp Auschwitz-Birkenau. "In the territory occupied by Germany, Polish Nazis built camps that were labor camps, which later became mass extermination camps."

https://www.pap.pl/aktualnosci/obozy-zbudowali-niemcy-polskich-nazistow-nie-bylo-barbara-nowacka-przeprasza-za

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 week ago

Poland of all countries...

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