Microsoft Probing If DeepSeek-Linked Group Improperly Obtained data the same way OpenAI did. --FTFY
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QUICK, they're a foreign threat! They're coming right for us!!!!
The irony is overwhelming
An irony curtain.
What, you mean like Microsoft, uh, OpenAI did?
Yep, NOW it's a problem, though! Because it's someone else doing the same thing, someone who isn't part of the human centipede starting at Trump's colon.
Chinese company:
Truly, you have a dizzling intellect.
Microsoft:
AND IM JUST GETTING STARTED! Where was I?
Chinese company:
Stealing data....
You mean they ripped off the copyrighted material that OpenAI ripped off?
we stole it fair and square
Stealing from thieves isn't a crime.
Especially not when China turns around and Robin Hoods it back to the world.
Just saying.
China really did one on our oligarchs haha
Beautiful
These parasites expect me to side with them?
Making R1 open source really makes it such a big FU to all the grifters asking for billions for AI in the us. Especially funny because high-flyer is a hedge fund firm themselves. The ai race should only be determined by what you do with it, not protecting how much IP you hoovered up and are now trying to cry about it being copied by others.
“You can’t steal that public data! We stole it first!”
And considering that’s exactly what Microsoft did to Apple with point and click, what irony!
They both stole point and click from Xerox if my memory serves me correctly
Apple did pay Xerox for it if I'm remembering right
Yep, Apple paid with shares (More specifically, the right to buy $1 million dollars worth at the initial share price) which, according to a share calculator I just tried, would be worth nearly $328 million these days, I wonder if Xerox kept them or offloaded them early.
Considering Xerox was utterly uninterested in any of the tech they had, it's worked out well.
yeah xerox invented the GUI and mouse
Actually, it was invented by Douglas Engelbart in Stanford in the 60s
https://dougengelbart.org/content/view/162/000/
Xerox (re)made it for the PC in the 80s.
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What data? they one OpenAI illegally obtained first?!
I’m sure now that OpenAI accuses DeepSeek of stealing they will now prove that they have rights to things that are being stolen, right? XD
Are they worried that deepsink too stuff written by others, mixed it up, and repackaged it as it's own?
Well, yeah, that's all AI is. An expensive weighted pachinko machine, that uses human made content, and remixes it.
The question isn't whether they've used the same information. It's whether they've faked the process to achieve that 20x efficiency.
Look at it like a dictionary. Writing one from scratch is a huge task, no matter how many other books exist. How do you even go about finding all of the words?
But if other people have already written dictionaries, you can just use their word lists and go from there.
It's more efficient, but only because it's a completely different task.
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Is it worth it? Let me work it I put my thing down, flip it and reverse it
Time to talk about data rights :)
What’s the game plan if they did?
Trade restrictions?
China already proved those did fuck all to stop them from developing their own model.
Ducking knew this ai bubble would burst sooner or later, just glad we can finally get on with it now.
- Name the company involved a military asset
- Forbid US companies from hosting the models
- Pressure foreign companies to not work with them
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So that means that Microsoft will pay compensation to us, right?
Article from ft https://www.ft.com/content/a0dfedd1-5255-4fa9-8ccc-1fe01de87ea6
Looks like Microsoft is bracing for today’s earnings call
Lol its like fucking lavrov from fucking russia screaming "this is against international law" when Europe froze their assets.
Bro... US reaction here is so pathetic...
The behavior is indicative of a bigger issue. They really do think only they are allowed to cheat and steal to win lol
If I stole from the thief, is it really stealing?
- some Philosopher probably
In Brazil, there's a rhymed saying: "ladrão que rouba ladrão tem 100 anos de perdão", it translates to "a thief that steals from a thief has 100 years of forgiveness"
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When a writer copies someone else's work without cites or compensation, it's called "plagiarism." But when an AI does it, it's called "LLM training."
When a reader reads someone else’s work that’s called “reading”. But when an AI does it, it’s called “training”.
Unless that AI is not OpenAI, then it's "plagiarism" still.
When you can't beat em, sue em. It's the American way.
"Tom, if irony was strawberries we'd all be drinking smoothies right now"
What the fuck is Microsoft getting involved for?! Maybe concentrate on not providing shitty fucking software fuck heads!
They have a large stake in OpenAI, last I checked.
Oh fair, i didnt know that. But still, fuck Microsoft.
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