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As a European, I say fine and sure.
But then we also withdraw from the Plaza accords.
Ever since China has winded down their US debt holdings, we have picked up the tab and the EU countries are now the largest foreign holder of treasuries.
Time to start selling.
And also, we only buy from European defense firms, no more spending on American defense.
what people don't understand is that europe must say goodbye to america, things are turning.
we (europe) should start considering being more independent (from the USA) and maybe, just maybe, actually talking to our eastern neighbours.
The US doesn't have troops in Europe to benefit Europe though. They have troops in Europe to benefit the US.
Europe should be totally fine with them leaving. Get off their territory, give up all that power projection and hamstring yourself.
What a weird thing to threaten.
Trump is as dumb as a bucket of shit. That's why he's threatening to shoot himself in the foot.
He'd cut off his own hand if you could convince him that it voted for Biden.
Well i argue that it's more complicated than that ... Europe really did profit tremendously from the relationship with the USA after WW2, but now ... not so much anymore, i guess. If one looks at recent developments.
I would appreciate if we could maybe not spit in the face of our allies at every available opportunity.
π we elected the wrong party for that.
Nazis do that, and they've hijacked America for the time being.
wants to reduce the American contingent in Europe by about 20 percent and plans to ask for a "financial contribution" for the maintenance of the remaining troops.
Eat a dick, USA. Some partner. Maybe theyβll leave late like they showed up late for WWII after waffling about which side to join.
After the door hits them in the arse on their way out, be sure to repatriate all the land for those US bases. Make them pay 300% more for the land, after this term if they want to come back.
And use whatever money is saved to bolster one's own national military. We can't rely on the US any more for defence.
Fair enough. The less US military presence in Europe the better. We shouldn't be reliant on the US for our security needs. European and NATO nations need to make sure they're pulling their weight.
European and NATO nations need to make sure theyβre pulling their weight.
Which is something that every President starting with Bill Clinton has been saying but the EU has had its fingers stuck in its ears while going "La la la I can't year you!". They learned nothing from the Yugoslav Wars, didn't wake up for Crimea and it took extreme clanging of the alarm bells to get them to respond to Russo-Ukrainian War.
The EU has more people than the United States with an economy well capable of providing for common defense. It's time for them to quit faffing about and get to it. The US was never supposed to be the eternal linchpin of NATO.
Obligatory: Donald Trump is a cancer.
There is a reason Russia does not want Ukraine to join the EU. Even the pretty bad state of the EU militaries ends up with a fighting force which is larger then Russias and has some pretty good tech. The issue is mostly organizing it all.
"financial contribution"
That doesn't sound mafia-like at all.
Given his threats towards Greenland i'd be happy to not have a hundred thousand US troops all over Europe to wreak havoc, if Trump decides to invade.
Also Europe has been a staging area for US invasions, wars and drone muders long enough.
Can't wait to see our country join the bad guys in WW3. Exciting stuff
Good riddance, we tried to get them out of Germany for decades. American soldiers off base are the worst. Drunk driving their oversized trucks, starting fights in village pubs, and generally being aggressive and obnoxious. And whenever something actually happens, they are picked up by on-base military police, get a slap on the wrist, and keep at it. Due to some bs agreement they are untouchable by German police, and only really end up in court if someone died.
Due to some bs agreement they are untouchable by German police, and only really end up in court of someone died.
Anna Sacoolas killed a kid with their car leaving a US airbase in the UK - she fucked off back to the US claiming diplomatic immunity so she couldn't face charges. So they don't even always end up in court.
This is why we don't allow foreign bases in France. Also, alliances are frail and cannot be depended on
I say pull them all, that would cripple their power projection towards Africa, Europe and the Middle East, and move forward with the creation of a EU Army.
Maybe. I think this supports Putin's goals more than anything.
Something to keep an eye on is the AEGIS Ashore platforms in Poland and Romania. These are ICBM tracking and interception facilities, part of the US MDA's Missile Defense System, and their specific purpose in being where they are is to defend Europe from Russian missiles. You can bet Putin would love to see them gone. If you see any news about reduced US military or MDA presence in those countries, you should be worried.
As an American, I could get on board for lower military spending, fewer people deployed, and Europe building up their own defense to make up the difference.
But I donβt trust for one second that Trump is doing this for anything good. Maybe Putin thinks Europe will pay less attention to him if they have to make up for lost American defenses.
Itβs time for Europe to defend itself.
It has been high time to get rid of all and any US reliance when that orange fascist Muppet got elected the the first time.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out you fucking loser
MMW: He'll soon need every single fighter at home.
I wonder. Maybe Putin and Trump had a backroom deal that if US pulls out of Europe, then Putin will go on the negotiating table to end the war in Ukraine, and Trump is using the argument of "free riding Europeans" as convenient pretext. Trump is showing to Putin that the West is de-escalating by withdrawing American troops. After all, the Russian president is complaining of NATO encroachment. American troop withdrawal is indeed evidence for de-escalation.
Then at the same time, Trump wants to pivot against China. The US troops in Europe could be redeployed to Asia.
This is simply my speculation and there could be more to this than we would know publicly.
Don't threaten us with a good time