I'm a bit late on the wagon, but if you're still in need of mods, I would gladly help curate this community and do my best to maintain onehundredninetysix as we know it ^^
this post was submitted on 19 Jan 2025
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Rule: You must post before you leave.
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I vow to make this comm 1000% more trans and leftist if appointed mod π€
I am in cahoots with the international trans mafia. I will not show anyone any quarter. (I already mod shit on here)
The three big things Iβm looking for otherwise are diverse viewpoints, if you can remain reasonably impartial
Lemmy UI shows this as 196@lbz in the feed which is amazing UX xd
Ah yes, one nine six at lesbianz. Truly an inclusive experience. π³οΈβππ€
trans lover of memes and progressive politics here!
I would love to help out 
Hello! It's me, Roflmasterbigpimp! The lovable rascal from communities like [email protected] and, since yesterday, [email protected].
And to some degree even [email protected] for a whopping two days, until feddit.de (and therefore my account) died.
Even though I have barely done any moderation at all over at [email protected], I still want to help out and perhaps sort things out further. I tried to do my best on the .world 196. I encourage you to check my comment history about this topic and form your own opinion about me.
I can 100% understand if you decline my offer, but I really like this community and want to make this work.
Furthermore, I would advise adding a rule along the lines of "All decisions affecting the community and its members as a whole must be backed by a public vote." This is something that could have prevented this whole disaster in the first place.
"All decisions affecting the community and its members as a whole must be backed by a public vote."
Is there a way on Lemmy to distinguish who is or isn't a community member? Is there a way to prevent me from rigging votes with a bot army or a group of bad actors?
I've been thinking recently about chain of trust algorithms and decentralized moderation and am considering making a bot that functions a bit like fediseer but designed more for individual users where people can be vouched for by other users. Ideally you end up with a network where trust is generated pseudo automatically based on interactions between users and could have reports be used to gauge whether a post should be removed based on the trust level of the people making the reports vs the person getting reported. It wouldn't necessarily be a perfect system but I feel like there would be a lot of upsides to it, and could hopefully lead to mods/admins only needing to remove the most egregious stuff but anything more borderline could be handled via community consensus. (The main issue is lurkers would get ignored with this, but idk if there's a great way to avoid something like that happening tbh)
My main issue atm is how to do vouching without it being too annoying for people to keep up with. Not every instance enables downvotes, plus upvote/downvote totals in general aren't necessarily reflective of someone's trustworthiness. I'm thinking maybe it can be based on interactions, where replies to posts/comments can be ranked by a sentiment analysis model and then that positive/negative number can be used? I still don't think that's a perfect solution or anything but it would probably be a decent starting point.
If trust decays over time as well then it rewards more active members somewhat, and means that it's a lot harder to build up a bot swarm. If you wanted any significant number of accounts you'd have to have them all posting at around the same time which would be a lot more obvious an activity spike.
Idk, this was a wall of text lol, but it's something I've been considering for a while and whenever this sort of drama pops up it makes me want to work on implementing something.
Hey wow thats an awesome Idea! I'm currently in training to become a Software developer myself and this sound really impressive!
Did you already started?
I've been looking at the Lemmy api and stuff, and into some existing libraries/implementations of trust networks but that's about it so far tbh. I think I'm gonna start working on some implementation later today maybe, this whole mod drama and the discussion it led to make me really want to start lol.
As far as I know, yes. There is some sort of trace from where the Upvotes came. But I'm not deep into Lemmy-Tech so I don't know much.
This is part of the deal you make when joining a community with active mods, admins, and rules. Not everything is up for debate. I know firsthand that this can be quite frustrating sometimes, but we canβt act like everything else has always been subject to election up to this point. It simply was not.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14556651
Not sure that really shows you under the best light
Furthermore, I would advise adding a rule along the lines of βAll decisions affecting the community and its members as a whole must be backed by a public vote.β This is something that could have prevented this whole disaster in the first place.
Which is why encourage the Team to make especially this Change. Like I said in the other Comment.
So while I say the admin of "the page" can do with their page as they like (assuming there are no other rules in place forbidding them from doing so, either at the community or instance level), I believe that it's everyone's own choice to come, go, leave, or stay.
Because by setting rules not only for user but for admins/mods as well we could have easily prevented this.
If you leave people without rules and just hope they act as you and others would like them to, you can be harshly disappointed. Rules are not only there to enforce behavior but also to provide guidelines.
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay.
https://lemmy.world/comment/14556677
So you're still supporting mods locking down communities without asking members approval?
Start a community and run it the way you like! Expand the Fediverse! Make a place truly your own!
Perfect, and then the mods will lock it down and move to an instance I dislike.
You mean the answer to your comment where you said you gonna do the same with a Community you made or just not understood how moderation works?
When you create a community, you are the mod of the community you created, and you can choose to move or stay. So I donβt know which mods you are talking about.
I think it was their right to do so. They had no guideline or anything else which prevented them from doing so. And if you look a bit down below you see again:
You can also set your community rules to something like βBig decisions affecting the whole community must be backed by a public vote.β This is what I mean by making the place entirely your own.
I think it was their right to do so.
Then let's agree to disagree!
One rule I think might be a good idea is that mods aren't allowed to moderate their own posts/comment chains. Not that it's really been an issue on 196 in the past afaik, but there are some communities where the mods will get into an argument with another user and then remove comments for incivility or a similar rule which obviously has massive potential for abuse. Assuming there are enough mods where it's not an issue to do so (which seems very likely based on the number of people interested in moderating) preventing situations like that entirely seems beneficial.
I cannot agree more. Good call, I appreciate the input.
Glad to be here :3
Congratz on mod!
Congrats!
I think we should use the same picture we used in R*ddit as community icon.
Yay thank you so much for taking this on!
The canonical name being written out in words makes sense if you or Ada didn't want to take over the existing community (which IMO would have been preferable). But I would strongly prefer that the display names of both communities make it clear which it is. So !196 would become "196 (archive)" and !onehundredandninetysix should just display "one hundred and ninety six", or at least "196 (new)". This is just so it's very clear at a glance, regardless of where in the UI you're seeing it, which community you're looking at, and helps differentiate it visually from the LW one.
Do you not see the instance name after it? For me, it shows up as "[email protected]", which makes it distinct from "[email protected]". It doesn't need to be distinct from the old one, because they locked that one to new posts.
I agree that it would have been much better if we could have just taken over the old 196@lbz but here we are.
[email protected] and [email protected] show up as similar in a few menus as they rely on display names and not ID
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Literally didn't know there was a blahaj 196, and now you guys are my entire feed lol. Love this fediverse lore
Also if you read this I wish you a wonderfully fulfilling day
[email protected] used to be the only (or at the very least largest) community of the type. Recently, its mods unilaterally decided to move the community to [email protected] and lock 196@LBZ (essentially squatting on the name). [email protected] is a replacement under new management.
It was the main one.
Feels like it should have been 197 π
Hell yeah, let's make it happen, folks!
I'll mod a few things. If interested send me a message
You could always just copy the old 196 rules. They work pretty well.
I wrote these rules for a venting room on the blΓ₯haj matrix, perhaps they could be of some inspiration here. A venting room on a different medium will have very different needs of course from a community like this.
Rules
User rules
- Assume others have good intentions. Strive to keep this a safe space to vent.
- Tangents are allowed, but the primary purpose of the room is venting.
- Don't respond to vents if the venter does not wish to be interacted with. You can mark a vent with /dni to signify this.
- Keep mature vents in 18+ rooms if possible. Use https://trggr.link/ if such rooms are unavailable.
- Censor/spoiler sensitive issues and provide content warnings as appropriate. https://trggr.link/ is an excellent way to censor something. Some clients support surrounding text in || on either side of it to censor it like this: ||spoilered text||. Some clients may have a spoiler command: /spoiler spoilered text.
Issues you probably should spoiler: Slurs, racism, ableism, bigotry, suicide, self harm, abuse, drug/alcohol abuse, blood and gore.
Moderator rules
- Use a gentle hand, don't reprimand!
- Assume good intentions.
- When moderating, use DMs or moderator rooms for anything beyond single-comment moderation and for anything serious.
- Don't leave moderated users in the dark regarding issues they are directly involved in.
- Warn, then kick, then temp-ban, then perma-ban (avoid), in that order, when dealing with non-compliant users and serious infractions. Skip steps if necessary for larger infractions.
- Users may appeal your decisions and some arguing should be tolerated. Attempt to deescalate when this happens. Harassing you however is never okay.
- If you feel yourself become angry at or get a bad relationship with a user you are moderating then pass on the issue to another mod if they are available.
- Take care of yourself. You are moderating voluntarily after all.
Proper guidelines for moderators is probably key, and then for users a quick summary of the purpose of the community is important, followed by any additions to the instance rules.
Ahem. Can I propose a dumb rule in the spirit of the community's name?
- All numbers shall be written out in full here.
One hundred and ninety six.
Two thousand twenty five.
The Kessel Run can be run in less than twelve parsecs.
The universe was made thirteen point six billion years ago and was widely considered a bad move.
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Hello, i wouldn't mind modding 196 along with you all. However i am not trans, so i may not be the best choice.
In any way, thanks for creating this and good luck with it π€
if i have any feedback then i would say that we need some proper rules in place, yeah we can just default to the instance rules but i think having some solid set of rules for moderators and users alike to follow would be a good idea. if you need help modding im interested.
I would be happy to help mod, I modded some stuff on the old site.
Regardless, here's what I'd like to see out of the moderation here:
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I fully agree with your points on moderation, but I think it's important to add to #1 that no major decisions should be made by the mods, even if all of them are in agreement. They should be discussed with the community.
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Semi-regular "ask the mods" post (or just one that's stickied). Basically if anyone disagrees with or has questions about a mod action, they can comment there and the mods pledge to answer any question.
I'm willing to help with moderation if needed
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