I would argue something like starter packs would be a better fit for this particular feature.
this post was submitted on 14 Jan 2025
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Maybe a starter pack that includes a starter blocklist? 🤔
That's kinda what Bluesky has with their "moderation lists" or whatever it's called. They have an entire dedicated MAGA one that blocks all MAGA accounts that join Bluesky automatically for whoever is subscribed to it
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The issue is that starter packs would require development. This proposal can be implemented using the existing tools.
Not really, you would just need a community that's focused on posting starter packs, and for people advertising Lemmy to others to direct people to that starter pack community when checking out Lemmy. There are things that could be developed to help make starter packs more useful, but it could start off as simply as just people making posts with lists of communities that people interested in crocheting or whatever should go check out.
We already have [email protected] that is supposed to fill another issue (discoverability of communities), and every week someone asks "how can I discover communities" on !asklemmy, someone points !newcommunities to them, and they say they weren't aware of it.
It's even in the rotating instances messages of Lemmy.world, but still.
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I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a "default block" system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you've mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).
Users can then choose to unblock these if they want to engage with that content without moving instance.
While portability is kind of a feature of the lemmyverse, your posts don't come with you so likely people wouldn't want to move off the "default" instance, which would create another problem with centralized instances.
I would counter and suggest that Lemmy implements a “default block” system that admins can set on their instance, i.e. the 3 you’ve mentioned, plus any others they want. When the account is created, the default blocks are applied (either instance or communities or ideally flexibility to add both).
The issue is that requires development on Lemmy. The proposal in the OP can be done with the existing tools. Otherwise, I agree with you, what would be more elegant.
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Me liking printed books more than ebooks is already a political matter, so... that would be difficult to offer political-free content.
I think I already mentioned it, but my idea would be to have nothing for newcomers (so they don't get to see even a single political, or low effort post) beside a few tags/keywords/categories they could click in order to start having content displayed in their feed that they actually want to see, no matter how good or how bad it would be ;)
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By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?
The keywords/categories is a nice idea (similar to what https://piefed.social/ does with its "topics"), but would require modifications to the Lemmyy codebase. The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)
By default new users could be sent to their Subscribed feed and see nothing, but then how do they know how to find content?
the tags/categories I mentioned would do that. Nen users are supposed to know what they're interested in or what they're curious about so they would select those.
The approach I suggested is doable with the tools we have now (defederation, community-blocking at instance level)
I have little to no understanding of the technical considerations but I would think that if a technique involves defederation/blocking it also means it won't be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).
it won’t be bulletproof because, well, shit content does not always come from the same source(s).
Indeed, but it would already be an improvement to what we have now, and we can try it today, without having to wait for someone to modify the Lemmy code to add tags/categories for new joiners
Oh, 100% agree here, just wanted to make sure I understand your suggestion well ;)
@[email protected] as I know you like the topic
@[email protected] as we discussed it just now
discuss.online would be a good candidate, but you'd want to get buy-in from @[email protected] as well
I was thinking about it, but I'm not sure Jgrim would like to completely remove all news and political communities.
The issue here is that this instance would have to accept to not federate those communities, which can definitely be an issue for a generalist instance.
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There's no such thing as "politics-free". Everything is political. Are you going to ban also comms about veganism? climate? LGBT? even gaming is political (just look at the cringelords of gamergate).
On top of that, you don't know is the person who is interested in lemmy wants to join a "status-quo" instance like that or not. What if they were hoping to talk about some political subjects and now realize they cannot without making a new account? Bad experience.
There may be a point to be made about defaulting users to comms with less potential for flamewars, but that would require some sort of backend update.
Everything is political.
I tried to touch on that in the disclaimer at the end. I know that politics and societal issues are important and should be discussed extensively.
The issue we have now is that the All feed is overwhelmingly about serious and depressing topics. It's a hard sell to get people to join a platform that just seems as negative as Reddit, but without even the niche communities to make up for it.
you don’t know is the person who is interested in lemmy wants to join a “status-quo” instance like that or not.
Indeed, so the plan would be to have something like
- join casualinstance.org is you want a casual experience
- join lemmy.dbzer0.com if you want an experience with politics and news
Similar to what I already with when I suggest both discuss.online and sopuli.xyz depending on the user location: https://old.reddit.com/r/RedditAlternatives/comments/1i0652l/for_the_love_of_everything_i_just_want_to_know/m6web7p/
I feel this functionality could be covered by this or this feature request. Basically if your instance admin has hesitated instances, new users shouldn't see them. Likewise if they have trusted instances, they could serve as the first view for new accounts. These could provide a 3-tier system for new accounts according to their appetite for conflict. 1 only trusted. 2 trusted and non-hesitated. 3 everything.
Theoretically this sort of thing can already be achieved utilizing the fediseer on the UI, but this requires UI devs onboarding.
Likewise if they have trusted instances, they could serve as the first view for new accounts. These could provide a 3-tier system for new accounts according to their appetite for conflict. 1 only trusted. 2 trusted and non-hesitated. 3 everything.
That would be nice, be require indeed additional development
Everythibg is inherently political. Plus people like politics or at least aggressively hating everyone else for what they like