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With a TikTok Ban Looming, Users Flee to Chinese App ‘Red Note’ (www.wired.com)

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago

Rednote is very cool. Very nice people and no ads. It’s almost weird that I haven’t seen any ads, even for Chinese products.

Starting to notice all these American apps are full of trolls, racists, and ads. So many people parroting shit they read on Faux News about China bad and about safeguarding their data. There is no threat.

The oligarchy is the same in China and the US. Corporate powers and billionaires running everything. The moment we as people realize that borders are made up and governments are meant to divide us the better we’ll be as a planet. Might even learn something from each other.

Anecdotally my daughter is learning mandarin in school and I’m taking this opportunity to learn some and bond with her over it. Very cool.

[–] [email protected] 9 points 10 hours ago

After Chinese spyware banned, users of banned Chinese spyware migrate to not-yet banned Chinese spyware.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not really one for Tik Tok, but I went on REDNote to see what it was about and it was incredibly wholesome seeing American and Chinese people getting to interact as normal human beings and understand each other without it being filtered through our governments. Even if they don't shut down Tik Tok, they're gonna have to shut that shit down. Can't have future soldiers seeing their "enemies" as humans.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

I wonder if they're actually chinese troll farms

[–] [email protected] 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Insane to me that people can be this xenophobic. Wholesome Chinese people? No internet troll farm.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 21 minutes ago

China paying entire offices of people to be friendly, entertaining, and educational to foreigners online would be cool actually.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 9 hours ago

For those unfamiliar:

The 50 Cent Party, also known as the 50 Cent Army or wumao, are Internet commentators who are paid by the authorities of the People's Republic of China to spread the propaganda of the governing Chinese Communist Party (CCP). The program was created during the early phases of the Internet's rollout to the wider public in China.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

In a way I would feel more comfortable with china having my shit posting data than an American company. At least if china has it, there is slightly less of a chance of them selling the data to a data set deanonymizing company who in turn sells my data linked to me to like an insurance company who jacks my rates because I said their CEO should get Luigi'd. What is china gonna do to me if I never go to China and exist largely outside of their sphere of influence?

[–] [email protected] 7 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, China doesn’t have jurisdiction over me. I don’t have to worry about the CCP showing up at my door to harass me for what I post. But it’s a very real threat from the US feds.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

I mean you do, that's what the Chinese police operating in the United States thing is about.

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[–] [email protected] 3 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

It isn't about you. China doesn't care about you. If they have a computer tracking cell network info of groups of soldiers, they can glean actionable information about US military posture. They can do large-scale data analysis on the information they have and get a startling amount of information. They can also use it as a vector for injecting their favorite form of aggression against the US, soft power. They can't defeat the US in a fight, but economic and cultural warfare is a vulnerability in the US where the battleground is far more level. The incoming administration has indicated it plans to further increase the US's military strength, which is functionally untouchable as it stands and is more than ready for the fight nobody plans to bring against it, while weakening the actual fight we are seeing. The US is objectively safer, however little, against the machinations of the CCP with tiktok gone, but it is a band-aid on a firehose. Also, the CCP is clearly ready for that move given the move to Redbook, likely stoked by CCP operators under the guise of "haha let's go to another Chinese app, that'll show 'em!" because Americans are very easy to predict and manipulate...they are born and raised to be manipulated. It's rough, but quite interesting to see play out.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 8 hours ago

Sounds like a problem for the TRILLION dollar military industrial complex. I’m sure they can spare a few bucks to solve that issue.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

But that's my point. china doesn't care about me. American data gobblers care very much about me because I exist as a consumer in their sphere of influence and am far more likely to be exploited by said data.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 9 hours ago

China would have more of an investment in the information on people they DO care to get than the US would have on any information scraps it could collect from tiktok that it doesn't already have from hundreds of other sources.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Do they actually? I mean why can't I sell my days. If I quit the big tech companies and paid for the equivalent services, could I sell that data at a auction? Not having a go at you, just wondering how much our individual data is actually worth.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 5 hours ago

Could you sell your own personal data at auction? Maybe. It depends on who is buying the info and what they stand to gain or mitigate their risk if you want it in corpo speak.

Car insurance already does this by giving discounts for having a gps tracker connected to your car. These things give data like location, speed and g forces. If you drive outside of their parameters your rates go up. So your driving data is worth whatever the discount they give and that's just a fraction of your data.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago

Reject modernity, everyone go back to ~~forum boards~~ usenet lol

[–] [email protected] 1 points 10 hours ago

I read online somewhere, that you will still be able to have Tiktok. It will only be removed from the App stores. Then gradually faze out the site itself later. So, you have some time to get on the site. It won't be completely offline on January 19.

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