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No shit, we should have prosecuted and jailed him the second that shit happened. Instead, we spent the entire time debating whether a president can be prosecuted, and then concluded, nah bro, presidents can't be prosecuted, lol.
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They let Hitler go free too (though he did do jail time). That turned out well.
the road to fascism is paved by the judiciary
If you all haven't already, I'd like to suggest that you create a PAC for running for president. This is your license to commit federal crimes without any consequences.
State crimes TBD in a few weeks.
You have to be a Republican, though.
Easy enough to chuck a couple of bucks toward the GOP. For the sake of committing major crimes against the federal government, might be worth it.
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i don't know whats worse: that this happened, or that i don't know a single person irl who isn't just pretending like nothing happened and everything is going to be fine--even staunchly liberal antitrumpers
What are you expecting them to be doing instead? What are you doing differently than them?
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The "don't look up" phase
and then Biden proved how weak he is by not immediately using that free pass to solve the problem.
Biden's legacy will be forever known as the man who enabled Trump to take over and ruin the "democracy" that Biden said he would save. Biden is America's Hindenburg, acting like it was the moral and noble duty to appoint someone so corrupt and evil that if they had a devil whispering on their shoulder, that devil is the lesser evil.
Every single day Trump escaped jail is a day Biden should have fast tracked it, making sure his "one term" was going to actually going to do what he aimed to do, attempt to solve the crisis of Trump.
And now Biden will probably retire and/or flee the country as the people who voted for him and Harris are going to be sent to concentration camps. The Democrats will stick around as long as Trump wants them to, and when Trump wants to get rid of them, the higher ups will probably evade arresting, and the voters won't be able to.
Nothing else pisses me off more. I voted for Biden to help take care of Trump. I hated supporting a racist old bastard, but I did it because I wanted the orange fucker gone and behind bars where he rotted away. And then he even failed at that.
I hate Trump, but my vitriol is towards people who can do better but refuse to do anything but sit by and watch the show. Refusing to chose a side as one side openly starts planning a governmental hostage situation to remove the rights of anyone but who is willing to lick Trump's ass clean is choosing a side, and it's not a good one.
God damn.
Holy shit, you're right. I've been wondering if/when we'd get a Hindenburg equivalent, but you nailed it. We already have one.
Yeah I agree. Biden was the only person who could enable a second Trump presidency.
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This is on Brandon. Fucking idiot thought decorum or whatever the fuck was so goddamn important. He is a failure of historic proportion.
But think of how NOBLY the Dems have lost the Republic! Completely polite and norm-abiding as what remains of our democracy is torn to shreds and pissed on!
They didn't lose the republic ..... they gave it away.
You lose something of you trying to fight to hold onto it. When you weren't fighting to hold onto something, then you just give it away.
At one point looking at all this political stupidity, it makes you think that the US is only run and controlled by one party, a single party united by money and wealth
They fought, they just fought according to the 'rules' of the game. They were playing baseball while the GOP was playing "Beat the ref and crowd to death and take their wallets".
They're so goddamn certain that the newspapers tomorrow will praise their sportsmanship against such a terrible foe, and talk about how they 'deserved' to win, since that's how it worked in the Good Ol' Days(tm).
In reality, what newspapers aren't themselves intimidated by the thugs with aluminum bats will be lambasting the Dems for playing stupid fucking games while a massacre went on.
To the Dem thinking, everyone will lock arms and sing kumbaya and the next game will be totally aboveboard because people will be watching extra close for unsportsmanlike behavior. And hell - if it doesn't work out like that, it's not like the Dem players will be beaten to death - isn't the GOP just going after refs and the crowd? The Dem reps feel safe enough to gamble with our lives as many times as it suits their civility obsession to do so.
Knowing that the GOP is both stupid enough and malicious enough to target these oh-so-civil-Dems in the coming years is scant comfort, but at least I'll have plenty of folk to spit on when everyone is waiting in line for the gas chambers.
What I don't understand about the whole thing is that targeting the Dem representatives already has happened. Not just Jan 6th, one idiot tried to murder Pelosi, and bashed her husband's head in with a hammer.
I just can't see Pelosi as human after not going after the fascists and sitting in the lukewarm shit for a bit more. I don't know how the hell didn't she make it her life's mission to see at least some justice for that.
Because they're so goddamn certain they can just wait it out and everything will return to normal. The newspapers will praise them. The Republicans will be contrite. They'll be at the head of a new mythology of suffering-martyrs who made it out the other side to be the shining beacons of civility for the next era of statesmen. "Even when I was attacked, I didn't strike back out of wrath or vengeance ^.^" they imagine themselves saying, to a crowd waving their photo and naming awards for peaceful and cooperative success after them - or at least selling absurd numbers of their memoirs.
They can't imagine that they'll be remembered like those who appointed Petain in Bordeaux.
Hell, maybe they're too dull to even imagine that anything that hasn't already and literally happened to them will happen to them, I don't know; I've known plenty of voters like that, so why not reps too? "I didn't die last time so it won't happen next time either!" Like people whose cancer goes into remission and take up smoking again.
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Absolutely.
Trump is 100% Biden's legacy.
He could have gone down in history as savior of the Republic. But no. At least he didn't do anything overtly political regarding his criminal predecessor. I'm sure that feels fucking great.
We can't piss off the Republicans, Kamala will need to court them to win in 2024!
Doesn't matter saved his own family and enriched his friends.
who the fuck is Brandon?
"They go low, we go high"
while true that merrick garland bungled this, i think we need to talk about who allowed him to bungle this. the call is coming from inside the house
AND WHO FUCKING APPOINTED MERRICK GARLAND?
Merrick Garland wasted more than a year. That worthless waste of oxygen should be remembered as the reason we lost even the pretense of a democracy.
I never understood why Biden picked him. Obama only nominated him for SCOTUS because he thought he could get him past the GOP held senate due to his moderate beliefs (in the pejorative conservative sense).
Because Biden is not and will never be a progressive.
"Nothing will fundamentally change"
It wouldn’t have stopped him from winning the election. Trump escaped accountability when the Senate failed to convict him in his second impeachment. That, and the first impeachment, were the only convictions that would have barred him from running. Two impeachments, one coup attempt, one felony conviction, and we still elected him. Pretty sure that’s on us.
Technically he is barred from holding office. He's was shown to incite the Jan 6 insurrection in Colorado as a matter of fact.
The US Supreme Court said that Colarado couldn't prevent him from running, it would be up to congress to reject him.
Of course congress won't, but they are totally within their rights to do so now. Other people have been barred from holding offices over it.
Where "us" isn't even the majority of basically any demographic but "uneducated". Cool, good to know it's my fault
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It's not too late. The 14th amendment Section 3 specifically prohibits an insurrectionist from holding public office unless a special Congressional vote is held and passes with a 2/3rds majority.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
All US citizens should call their representatives and demand they uphold their sworn Constitutional duty to refuse the certification of Donald Trump's victory as he is disqualified from holding office.
This is not speculation. Donald Trump was successfully impeached for inciting insurrection. The US is in the middle of a Constitutional crisis which Congress must resolve.
Finding your reps is easy. Go here:
https://www.congress.gov/members/find-your-member
Either let the site use your location or enter your home address. It'll pull all the info you need in one click.
He was impeached but not convicted by the feckless, obsequious Senate. And he wasn't convicted by the courts. So this won't happen, unfortunately
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This is not speculation. Donald Trump was successfully impeached for inciting insurrection.
Did you stop reading your link at the title? Literally the third sentence:
On February 13, 2021, the Senate voted to acquit Trump on the article of impeachment.
If you want to dig into the arguments about what is and isn't legally insurrection and if the 14th Amendment is self executing or not, that is an interesting discussion. But, don't lead with a "pants on head" stupid argument that the House passed Articles of Impeachment, for which the Senate acquitted him, as evidence that the 14th Amendment applies. Just fucking no.
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They will never get him.
Death is the only thing that he will never be able to escape.
The day his bloated, twisted body can take no more will be a good day indeed.
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How about looking inward, Dems? How about accepting responsibility for not proffering a candidate who could beat Trump?
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Absolutely spineless administration
Funny. I blame capitalists.
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