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How Canada poached 10,000 tech workers from the U.S. — in just 48 hours::Canadian tech employers want the immigration ministry to extend the program launched last month — and it’s just common sense it should, David Olive writes.

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

The move to Canada is such an easy one as an American.

If you are sick of some of the shit happening down here and don't want to learn a new language, aren't interested in culture-shock, and overall want to be surrounded by friendlier folks, then Canada is pure win. I'd be more willing to move to Canada than move to most other states in the union.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

From a cultural perspective, sure. But it’s not as easy from a logistical perspective. I looked into it when it looked as though the former president might install himself as dictator for life, and there are quite a few complex hoops to jump through.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 year ago

I checked when Trump won the first election and I am a few points short of being able to emigrate without getting a company to sponsor me. Only way I can do it is:

  • Get a Masters or a Doctorate in a desired field
  • Marry a citizen
  • Find a company that can't find a local to do the job and have them sponsor your move

My current company would be fine with me working in Canada I just can't do it legally yet.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago

Oh absolutely. I mean I am sure it is easier to move there than most other countries, but yeah you aren't just driving up theere with your stuff in tow and think you can just settle down.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 year ago (1 children)

For now. We get crazier every year.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeah but you're never gonna outpace the US

[–] 9488fcea02a9 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

and don't want to learn a new language

Quebec has entered the chat

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But you can survive without knowing French in Quebec.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 year ago (1 children)

True, but in my experience it's like only speaking English in Germany. Everyone under 50 speaks English just fine, but it's still secondary.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago (1 children)

But everything is required to also be written in English, right? Because I think they force the other provinces to write things in French.

The few times I've been there, I never had a problem communicating with most people in English. In germany there were a few times when you could tell that English was clearly not taught to everyone, but even Germany was reasonably easy to navigate without speaking German.

[–] 9488fcea02a9 2 points 1 year ago

But everything is required to also be written in English, right?

Not in quebec, no. It is officially a french only province.

Because I think they force the other provinces to write things in French.

They're not really forced to offer french. Other provinces do a piss poor job of upholding official bilingualism (ie. Supporting the french language) The only officially bilingual province is New Brunsiwick

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I'm pretty sure Quebec is openly hostile to newcomers who don't know Quebec French.

[–] 9488fcea02a9 1 points 1 year ago

Certain parts of quebec.

Montreal is much more welcoming, but that's generally how rural and urban areas are divided (openness to new cultures, languages, etc) and not necessarily a quebec problem

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Giving more options to H1B visa tech workers is great! In order for Canada to compete for all tech talent in the US though (including US citizens), Canadian tech companies will need to have much better salaries.

[–] fresh 10 points 1 year ago

We spend billions subsidizing oil and gas, which are industries with dimming importance in the future. Meanwhile, we have some of the best artificial intelligence, computer science, cognitive science university programs in the world, and we send all of our graduates to the US.

We should nurture a tech sector in Canada, not just focus solely on natural resources.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Canadian tech employers want the immigration ministry to extend the program launched last month

That should tell you all you need right there; it's not about increasing tech in Canada, it's about lowering wages for IT people that are already in the market.

[–] Corkyskog 9 points 1 year ago

It's a good thing for US tech workers because it seems to be mostly H1B's. Will be Interesting if the US changes their policies.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 1 year ago (1 children)

I wish I were financially and mentally in a position to take advantage of this program because life in the United States is shit.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 year ago (3 children)

If you can't go to canada choose one of the nordic countries or most of europe. Alot cheaper to start there. Good luck king

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 year ago (1 children)

Bureocracy with work permits and citizenship is straight out of Monty Pythons Brazil. At least in Finland. 6 month wait times are not uncommon.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Yeesh, that's tough.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago (1 children)

In general for a lot of people, just getting up and moving to a new country, let alone a different city/state in the the US, is financially off the table. At least that's how I see it.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 year ago

Yes absolutely, it's still financially easier to go to a country that values citizens and has high population density.

[–] [email protected] 0 points 1 year ago

There's rumoured to be an immigration window that will be opened if a Christo-Fascist gets elected. This should be in the Scandinavian countries.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 year ago

If they did the same for the digital nomad visa, it would cause a housing crisis.

[–] Sethayy 1 points 1 year ago

That's so funny Canada is capitalizing on American racism

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 year ago

Well.. americans do love high rent.. lol