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The 2024 US presidential election had been widely characterized as one of the most consequential political contests in recent US history. Although turnout was high for a presidential election – almost matching the levels of 2020 – it is estimated that close to 90 million Americans, roughly 36% of the eligible voting age population, did not vote. This number is greater than the number of people who voted for either Donald Trump or Kamala Harris.

More than a month on from polling day, eligible US voters from across the country as well as other parts of the world got in touch with the Guardian to share why they did not vote.

Scores of people said they had not turned out as they felt their vote would not matter because of the electoral college system, since they lived in a safely blue or red state. This included a number of people who nonetheless had voted in the 2020 and 2016 elections.

While various previous Democratic voters said they had abstained this time due to the Harris campaign’s stance on Israel or for other policy reasons, a number of people in this camp said they would have voted for the vice-president had they lived in a swing state.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Lol this was a 1:1 repeat of 2016.

I voted and sat back as the Dems threw away their election by willingly ignoring their constituents in exchange for AIPAC money.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

the only conclusion is this is the model for both parties into the foreseeable future.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 3 days ago

In the USA, How you vote is private. If you voted is public.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I despise humanity's current timeline. Can it fuck off, please!?

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)
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[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago

I live in a blue state but that doesn't mean I'd be justified in believing that I should sit it out. Even if that insane logic about not needing to was valid, there's other shit on the ballot. And even if my vote for or abstaining against an uncontested incumbent is irrelevant, there's still ballot measures that need to be understood.

[–] [email protected] 121 points 4 days ago (5 children)

“The Dems are out of touch on social issues, and have tacked too far to the left to appease a minority of progressives.”

Asshole.

[–] [email protected] 79 points 4 days ago

And ignorant - they fell for the conservative talking points too

[–] [email protected] 41 points 4 days ago

For those who aren't aware already, "a minority of progressives" means "queer people," specifically trans people.

This asshole is saying the Dems went too far in trying to make things more equal.

[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago

And us progressives feel ignored by the Dems. Wild

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (7 children)

All I got from this is that Democrats, progressives, and Americans are fucking absolutely stupid regardless of education level.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Why are you lumping progressives in with them?

Trump won 2 presidencies because democrats actively work against progressive agendas which would actually benefit regular people.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

Progressives work against progressive agendas by naming pro-safety policies like "don't have police respond to mental health patients" as the Fox-news like "defund the police".

[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Yeah, I feel like this last election was an awakening for me of exactly how stupid, selfish and ignorant this country is on average. This country is just dumb as shit and proud of it.

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[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 days ago

The idea that your vote doesn't count in a strongly red or blue state is total propaganda to get people to not vote and make it so that they don't have to spend money on campaigning in those places. There are way more people who don't vote than there are people who voted for either candidate in most places. If everyone voted it could easily overcome any perceived majorities. Especially if city people voted. Problem is that there isnt enough capacity to vote. And cuts to funding that capacity in red states have been a big way to discourage voting in cities. Most people can't afford to take an entire day off of work to wait in the lines and employers wouldn't allow it. They're only required to give 1 hour which is barely enough to get to a poling place and back with no lines. And that isn't enforced so many don't even give that hour. And mail in and early voting has been framed by Republicans as unreliable with fake movies and such as propaganda even though it works great in many Blue states.

[–] [email protected] 34 points 4 days ago (1 children)

One guy said this “VP Harris failed to demonstrate she was ethically or intellectually capable of executing the office, repeatedly failing to detail out her policies..." It's infuriating that people continue to believe Harris never detailed her policies despite the fact that all she talked about was policy. All they had to do was pay attention to her and she would talk about her policies, it seems like they just didn't want to even pay attention to her. Or that because she didn't detail alllll of her policies then that wasn't enough. Add on that this person calls her intellectually incapable of talking about her policies, basically calling her stupid and it's just exhausting.

This whole article continues to make me believe in the fundamental problem with Democrat voters which so many people have shown. The democrats have to run the perfect candidate with the perfect policies or the charisma of Obama who promise the world, while the Republicans can run a guy who says immigrants are eating cats and dogs and because the Democratic candidate wasn't perfect, the Republicans win.

And then when the Democrats do promise signficant change and it doesn't immediately happen, Democrat voters punish them for it, they lose the midterms, and any change that was in the process of happening gets stopped dead. But when Republicans promise the world and don't deliver, Republican voters reward them for simply promising it.

"Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line."

[–] [email protected] 21 points 3 days ago

Institutional vs anti institutional. Dems are institutional and the institution sucks. Trump is a sledgehammer. He promised alot of sledgehammering. Not good, but that's irrelevant. The Dems need to stop protecting the broken system of neo liberal economics that fucking Regan invented and chasing the phantom center right vote.

Aka. swing left or die.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 days ago

Well, they may have actual made it so about what they fear about their vote “not counting” by putting the fascists in power

[–] [email protected] 47 points 4 days ago (41 children)

I didn’t find Harris compelling, just more of the same.

Well you're sure not going to get more of the same now. Good job, shithead.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (1 children)

Good job, shithead.

Yeah, keep blaming the people "not falling in line" instead of just running a candidate that supports them.

That's how we got 2 Trump presidencies and people like you still haven't learned from it.

If anything, this should teach people like you that expecting people to "fall in line" no longer works and you should support different tactics to prevent further conservative blowouts.

I don't think people like you are capable of learning from this, though. You're just going to get angrier and keep repeating the same mistakes expecting different results.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 days ago (5 children)

You're right. I do blame people for "not falling in line" and letting a genocidal fascist dictator who made no secret of that gain control of a nation because they didn't find the opposition "compelling."

And as far from not having learned, I think what you haven't learned is that 2024 was the last real election in the U.S. in your lifetime.

Harris lost. You got what you wanted. Be happy about it.

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[–] funkless_eck 18 points 4 days ago

the problem is, we still gotta beat Trump.

I dont think anyone knows if actual leftist messages will actually work, but holy shit it's gotta be better than diet, no caffeine, low sodium fun size Bill Clinton Zero.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (7 children)

U guys need mandatory voting like what we got here in aus. And by mandatory it doesnt mean u have to pick someone (its ur right to spoil ur ballot) it simply means u have to attend a polling booth.

Voting is a duty not a right

[–] [email protected] 53 points 4 days ago (9 children)

We need laws that make it illegal to spread election misinformation. We can't function as a society with this level of manipulation and outright falsities. Nobody knows what is up or down anymore and this is just the start of what AI and propaganda news media are gonna make possible in the very near future.

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[–] [email protected] 46 points 4 days ago (7 children)

“What is the point [of voting]?,” he asked. “Aside from a handful of weaponized issues, the parties are nearly identical. They both hate the poor and serve only their donors.”

We can yell at them that the handful of issues should matter enough, or we could actually try to get a popular candidate past the party itself and I to the general.

But shit isn't going to change until we all admit the DNC isn't automatically on our side. I'm more hopeful than I should be for the DNC election in February, but I'm ready to be disappointed.

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 4 days ago (2 children)

What if we make not voting an official vote and, if it wins, all the parties have to try again with new candidates?

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 4 days ago* (last edited 4 days ago) (1 children)

"What a circus" say eligible voters who didn't vote in the 2024 election:

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Did they interview anyone in a swing state at all, or just people who lived in solid states and suggested that if they lived in a swing state they’d have voted?

The only reasons they gave were Israel and gesture vaguely in the direction of other policies.

Did these non-voters not consider the downballot candidates that dems also lost their asses on?

[–] [email protected] 22 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I blame my peers who didn't vote just as much as my peers who voted for Trump for what is to come.

I'm done giving a shit. We had a chance to stop this, and we sat on our ass.

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