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I was planning to donate the couple bucks I had left over from the year to the charity called “San Diego Zoo Wildlife Alliance”, I was doing a background check on CharityNavigator and they gave the charity full ratings so it seemed good.

Then I stumbled upon the salary section. What the fuck? I earn <20k a year and was planning to contribute to someone’s million dollar salary? WHAT.

https://www.charitynavigator.org/ein/951648219

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[–] [email protected] 202 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

This is more of a system issue than bad behavior of an individual charity.

Charities can underpay a little bit, because working for a charity has its own appeal. But if you want a talented, experienced person to run your org, you have to consider what they could make if they worked for someone else. San Diego is not a cheap city, and has its fair share of CEO positions.

If you really want to stretch your dollar though, local food banks are probably a better bet.

[–] [email protected] 113 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Talent and experience isn't that rare. Nor does executive compensation correlate with performance.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Whether it does or not is irrelevant; what matters is the perception among executives that it does.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

I think we've been shown there is a solution to that perception.

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[–] [email protected] 65 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (10 children)

I’m not living in america. In my country this really isn’t a thing. Most charities have a sort of “everyone gets the same salary” policy which is usually around the median salary in the country.

This charity was just running a cool project I wanted to donate too. I dont care what the american system is like, no one deserves 1 million a year while there are people starving.

[–] dream_weasel 14 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Best not give them your money then based on your principles.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I always hear this argument, and it seems like straight up CEO propaganda. I remember how failing businesses HAVE TO hire multi million dollar CEOs and fire employees becuase how else will they get good leadership!

Motherfucker, your previous CEO also had the same salary and sent you into bankruptcy.

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[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, it's a tough call to make. It's like those car donation things. Like 90% of your car's value goes to the company managing the sale, but that's still 10% to the charity that they wouldn't have anyway. Unless you want to deal with selling your own car, and giving the charity the money, it still does some good.

I suspect a $1M salary isn't too insane for a CEO if they bring tangible value to the company. Also, with a lack of shareholders to answer to like in a publicly traded company, their motivations probably align with the cause they're supporting. It's not like they're going to sell off a shitload of assets to bump stock price and escape with a golden parachute.

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[–] Gullible 134 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

https://sandiegozoowildlifealliance.org/sites/default/files/2024-07/2023-SDZWA-Annual-Report.pdf

Total revenue per year is 420 million.

Concessions and cleaning staff typically make 35k-40k. Zookeepers ~50k.

These 5 employees. Amount to .8% of the yearly operating budget, while the sum of all other employees totals up to 10% of the 400 million dollar operating budget.

I’m not making any judgements, just offering the numbers.

[–] [email protected] 104 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They pay cooks less than $20/hour in a city with an average rent of $3000/month. I've got no problem passing judgement.

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

They pay cooks less than $20/hour

So their cooks get paid less than 'cooks' at McDonald's? Fast food minimum wage is $20/hour throughout California.

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[–] [email protected] 88 points 2 weeks ago

This is a good reminder that you can look up Form 990 for any nonprofit (they are required to submit one), which includes any staff that make over $100k.

https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/

Also, it looks like the “salaries” you found are total compensation, which also includes medical and retirement benefits. The CEO’s salary is around $600k, but also got a $300k+ bonus.

[–] Grandwolf319 85 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

For a second I thought this was a hit list.

[–] [email protected] 52 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

any list is a hit list if you're angry enough

[–] BigDanishGuy 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well, if you stab some potatoes, circumcise a cauliflower, and proceed to nunchuck a bag of flour ... Then it might just have been a grocery list and now you're not allowed in the store anymore

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[–] [email protected] 55 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

My wife works for a non-profit where the Executive Director (CEO if you will) cannot make more than 5x what the lowest paid person makes. Wish more non-profits would adopt something similar

[–] [email protected] 16 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Well we don't know if the lowest paid employee makes $254,927 at this one

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

That's the Janitor. He drives Bentleys off the pier into the Pacific Ocean every second saturday.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

You earn less than 20k? Save your money, volunteer your time! Much more productive and rewarding!

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (11 children)

Disabled and bedridden, can’t volunteer. All I got is the 10-30 USD left over at the end of year from my disability insurance payments and I want to do good in the world.

Saving that little won’t get me anywhere. I’m already poor and in a shitty living situation and that money can’t really help me cuz its too small, so I wanna donate it to something where it can make a difference.

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[–] [email protected] 44 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Blood banks. “Your blood saves lives”. Is actually “We can sell your blood to hospitals for $200 per pint”. Check the salaries of the non-profit blood bank CEO and board. I would gladly share my blood if I’m paid $100 per pint, or if they gave insurance vouchers for a free pint of blood, to avoid insurance charging $1000-3000 to get a pint back. In fact they could just call it “blood insurance” where your premium is paid in regular blood donations.

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[–] [email protected] 37 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I’ve given up on charity. They’ve lobbied sites like Charity Navigator to not count executive compensation as a negative. I’m sick of capitalism ruining everything.

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[–] nonentity 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Charities and billionaires are the polar extremes of the same policy failure. In a healthy society neither should exist, and when they do they should be tolerated for a minimal time as possible.

Charities and philanthropy exist to permit governments and corporations to abdicate their social responsibilities.

When the work a charity does is properly valued by a society, it’s economy would never need to carve out a special, nonprofit status for it.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Was put to me at a young age that non-profit only means they spend any revenue they get before it gets to the bottom line to show up as a gain or loss. Always good to sort out the shady from the legit.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 2 weeks ago

that's not just non profits. ever wonder how so many nominally "unprofitable" companies seem to stick around forever?

[–] [email protected] 29 points 2 weeks ago

I'm one of the money guys at a nonprofit. You wouldn't believe the vast corruption I have seen. Our president recently asked: "how did it get to this point?" He knew the fucking answer.

[–] Lucidlethargy 28 points 2 weeks ago

Give it to the San Diego food bank instead. It's a good charity from what I've seen, and I've volunteered there at least half a dozen times.

[–] [email protected] 27 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

What the heck is a chief philanthropy officer?

[–] [email protected] 39 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

They get wealthy people to donate.

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

I took a huge pay cut when I worked for a non profit. :(

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[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Mutual aid is where it's at.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 2 weeks ago

Charities are good business. That's why there are a lot of them.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

No affiliation, and I've never donated to them, but their financials are far from the worst:

There are many charities that don't spend the majority of donations on the actual program. Like, wtf...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 2 weeks ago

Damn I'm in the wrong nonprofit lol. Building, activity and pay & benefits for 7 employees come in under $400k total budget/expenses and we have distributed millions and millions of pounds of food in the last few years.

[–] [email protected] 19 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

This is why I always tell donation canvasers to shove it and make their rich ceo pay for it in full. Nothing worse then a billionaire CEO for loblaws underpaying someone to ask for handouts.

I basically refuse to assist any and all charities at this point because of exactly what you have shown in your images. It's disgusting.

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Management and marketing bloat is extremely common for nonprofits, unfortunately. Especially large ones.

Ones that don't do that exist too, but it's a thing you have to be wary of.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

I suggest donating to your local wild animal rescue/rehabber. They're all volunteer based. They receive $0 public money. The public rarely sees the work they do. They're doing physically and mentally taxing work purely for the love of animals.

They typically all have a donation page, and many have Amazon Wishlists where you can send them cleaning, maintenance, or medical supplies directly if you're worried about the money going to something you might not intend.

Nothing will go to people. You won't have to question if you're really help an animal that may or may not exist in a country you'll never see. They're your neighborhood animals.

As the [email protected] person here, I look specifically for a raptor rehabbers to donate to, and I share links to those rescues worldwide.

I can't find my link to the world rescue database, but for a US based one, you can look here or just Google up "wild animal rescue near me" and you should get some options.

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[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The head of the American Red Cross makes about 750k, last I heard.

Whether or not that's justified either, I think we can all agree it's a little bit larger of an organization with more responsibility to juggle.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 weeks ago

Here's the thing: I don't know about this charity in particular. But in general, a big charity is just as complicated a business as a big for profit company.
The task of managing it isn't any easier. So the people who have experience in managing big businesses can get that kind of money elsewhere, too.
In our system, the charity is pretty much forced to pay competitive CEO salaries if they want experienced people at the helm.
If they paid much less, they wouldn't get anyone to do the job who's actually competent.

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