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If I'm interpreting this correctly, many MP4 patents are going to expire next year. πŸŽ‰

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[–] TriflingToad 17 points 6 days ago (1 children)

I am once again reminded that if you format literally anything into a Wikipedia article I will read it with full trust. "hmm surely there is a valid reason for there to be a cat with coins on this article about video file patents"

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Because he's a cute money-cat. He is showing how much money he has.

[–] [email protected] 25 points 6 days ago
[–] pastermil 8 points 6 days ago

Now for h.265...

[–] [email protected] 3 points 6 days ago

Even if all High Profile patents in Europe expire next year, this means absolutely nothing for US-based companies/orgs or companies/orgs that trade in the US, which still has patents that won't expire until 2027 according to this article. Even then, this means absolutely nothing because there is no such thing as a H.264 decoder/encoder that only supports the High Profile spec (aside from OpenH264, which already circumvents the patents for companies/orgs that want to use it, but is still lacking). x264 supports H.264 features from later specifications, and the patents for those things likely won't expire until after 2030.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 1 week ago (2 children)

What are the consequences of this particular patent expiring ?

[–] [email protected] 35 points 6 days ago (1 children)

On distros like Debian, openSUSE and Fedora, you need to enable a separate repository, if you want icky software, like proprietary drivers or patented codecs. In particular, you can't watch MP4 videos. So, PeerTube and YouTube work, but if a webpage is hosting its own videos, or you happen to acquire a video file in some other fashion, there's a good chance that it's an MP4 file and you can't look at it.

I'm hoping that when these patents expire, that it's possible to ship the MP4 codecs directly, and then at least for me, that would currently result in not needing to deal with these separate repos.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 6 days ago

When I first switched to Linux, I was nonplussed at why many videos didn't work. It ended up being a positive learning experience, but it certainly would be nice if the codecs could be shipped directly, as you say.

[–] [email protected] 56 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Someone will most likely patent hack it in order to reclaim it, then try to patent troll about it... Because corporate people are jerks.

[–] [email protected] 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Someone will most likely patent hack it in order to reclaim it, then try to patent troll about it… Because corporate people are jerks.

How? If the tech is older than 25 years, it's prior art no matter what. MP3 is fully free for the same reasons.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (3 children)

Happened recently with a 1995 patent by a Stratasys, on a stronger technique for 3D printing using a brick infill method.

Someone re-parented a variation to prevent it being public domain until 2040.

[–] [email protected] 16 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Someone re-parented a variation to prevent it being public domain until 2040.

So the variation cannot be used. That's irrelevant for a file format. Some company could, for example, patent a more efficient encoding technique but the resulting file format is still public domain. So at worst an open source encoder would need to be slightly inefficient because it uses the traditional technique.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Okay, pay X amount of dollars to go say that in a few court cases, and hope you get a judge that understands.

That's why it's called Patent Trolling because it's not official or legitimate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 6 days ago

Didn't happen with MP3.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 days ago

Sort of. That was more of an oversight from a half assed patent filing based on a little known 3d printing process that shouldn't have been approved and is still up for challenge. That isn't likely to happen with H.264. I'd go as far to say that it couldn't happen with it.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

This is why we can't have nice things...

[–] [email protected] 14 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Has this happened with other codecs?

[–] [email protected] 14 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Parents for MP3 expired in 2017

[–] weker01 33 points 6 days ago

The poor kid