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That’s all.

EDIT: Thank you all for detailing your experience with, and hatred for, this miserable product. Your display of solidarity is inspiring. Now, say it with me:

Fuck Microsoft

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Fuck Microsoft. But first, Fuck Google, Fuck Amazon, Fuck Facebook. I am sure I could think of a few more that are worse than Microsoft, as bad as they are.

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[–] [email protected] 5 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

all default purple theme apps are dog shit, and there are a lot of them. any graphic designer who chooses purple needs to be prevented from designing anything ever. i have to see that fake color a third of my weekdays and it takes a full weekend of spending time outdoors and seeing green to recuperate.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 41 minutes ago

People are different. For me some purple actually is good. As opposed to green on computer displays. Real green is very good, of course.

Any non-neutral color is hard though.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Dog shit has plenty of good things going for it, frankly. It acts as a fertilizer and really its existence just means that your best bud's internal organs are functioning properly.

Teams however

[–] [email protected] 5 points 6 hours ago

Screen shared coding with 1 fps. Genius.

Can't even see animations, quick actions, or significant subtleties.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago

It's the fucking worst.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 7 hours ago (1 children)

i just hate everything about micro$oft nowadays to be honest.. and i use and always will use linux mainly aswell cause of my hatred for windows in general

[–] [email protected] 2 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

I love the open and evolving C# ecosystem.

All the AI and cloud fluff/craze being pushed to devs is a bit annoying, but outside of announcements it's isolated and ignorable [for now]. I kept my enthusiasm during the cloud pushes, which were limited. But now, the AI and copilot pushing is annoying enough that I'm losing it. At least the enthusiasm. I feel like.

Everything else... Goes into the wrong direction and often is already obnoxious. Last time I installed windows for someone I was baffled it was almost impossible to install it with an offline account. Baffling on an operating system. Insane. Awful. Settings is still a mess. Task manager is getting worse. 11 got worse ui.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Windows 11 "out of box experience" has been made specifically to further control and limit options in favor of value added options. Such as making online services more integrated into an ever bloated OS. The only option I know about setting up the first account as local was to disable the internet connectivity check they are enforcing now using a command prompt that required going well out of my way to get and even I saw how much they pressure you into going along with their demands/instructions instead of allowing freedom/open use of anything you wish to use.

It's so odd because even though it is possible to do more advanced or finer tuned control, Microsoft is intentionally ignoring talking about it and therefore not even offering those options.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

C# is such a crappy language.

You can't even do a=b if they are classes, and you're forced down the chosen road all the time. It's like java all over.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

And what would that equality entail? Reference equality? You have .Equals for that for every single class. Structural equality? You can write an operator for that (but yeah, there's no structural equality out of the box for classes, that I have to concede).

Hell, in newer C# (~3-4 versions back, I don't recall off the top of my head) you have records, which actually do support that out of the box, with a lot more concise syntax to boot.

As fir that being Java all over again: it started off as a Java clone, and later on moved in its own direction. It has similar-ish syntax, but that's the extent of it.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 3 hours ago

It's a single =

a = 5;

b = c;

And hell, "use .Equal" is exactly what it is all about, have you heard of == ?

Back in the day all the big languages were hard to learn and had lots of quirks, but somehow C/C++ moved on and became quite simple and elegant (you can write the worst trash with it ofc. but that's like saying you shouldn't cook because you might burn your chicken). C# not so much.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 10 hours ago (3 children)

I’m so tired of web engine based apps

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

So does discord

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 8 hours ago

Of all the Microsoft products I’m forced to use for work, teams is by far the best. It still sucks. Fuck Microsoft. Fuck monopolies.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

I mean , works for me. You know what is complete bullshit?

SKYPE. Using that in a work environment is a nightmare

[–] [email protected] 2 points 8 hours ago

Not to mention the fact that you can force single-factor authentication using Skype for business despite requiring MFA across the board. Just had to patch that hole recently.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 11 hours ago (2 children)

My company has teams and slack and IT wants to switch to all teams. The thread where they announced this had to be locked. :D I don't know how a trillion dollar company can't get this right. Worst yet the bundle that shit with everything and overworked IT depts pick it by default.

[–] Croquette 3 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

If a company uses other Microsoft products, chance are that Teams is bundled with whatever license they have. So for IT, it's one less service to manage.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

That is the actual reason this happens. Another one is financial people trying to cut costs or something. Slack licensing is not a small cost if you have lots of people.

However it should be said that IT and finance are supposed to support the company, not the other way around. If they're choosing shit services they should be replaced with people who actually support the company.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 12 hours ago (3 children)

I mean, with winter coming in, and universities not bothering to heat the building, teams turning my potato work laptop into a furnace is the only thing keeping us warm this winter...

Serious question - is their long term strategy bad optimisation to sell hardware? Do they have shares in intel or something?!?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity."

Mega corporations that only hire contract workers with no morale or investment in the long term success of the company (because the majority of their efforts are purely to appear shareholders) are not equipped with the means to put out decent products.

Passion, dedication, investment in workers, and long term talent are what create remarkable pieces of software. Microsoft has none of this because these things are incompatible with the directives of infinite growth shareholder appeasement. Want extra time for QA? nope, that would reduce profits. Want to pay higher salaries to attract better talent? Nope, that would reduce profits. Want to adequately reward employees in ways they actually connect with like raises and bonuses? Nope, that would cut into the boss' annual bonus and he needs his new vacation home more than we need to afford rent.

There is an optimal level of profit chasing and company size within which excellent software can be produced, and Microsoft exceeded those thresholds years ago. There is also an optimal phase of capitalism that is conducive to quality innovation and development, and we're well past it.

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[–] spyd3r 7 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Outlook 2010 is better than this new office 365 shit too.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 7 hours ago

what about libreoffice? i did hear that's a good alternative to ms office but i wasn't sure if i was wrong but yeah i thought it would be alright to mention that here since you mentioned ms office

[–] [email protected] 20 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

You put more effort into this post than M$ did to their product

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 12 hours ago

lmao, based. Discord too.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 12 hours ago

What is crazy is that Mac version is more stable than windows in my experience. Still shit, though

[–] [email protected] 13 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

I have an office account for work. I don’t happen upon the troubles people report here. I couldn’t leave MS as I basically use all their stuff for work (and so do the several other hundreds of employees here). But teams does work well: texting, videocalls with 100s of participants, recording meetings, file repositories

I use teams every day. My only gripe recently is the messages like “look the wonderful things we did to improve it” that I didn’t need and will probably never use, but I press the little X don’t know don’t care

[–] [email protected] 3 points 12 hours ago

I feel similarly. I work in an office that's heavily invested in Microsoft for everything and when you use Microsoft everything Teams fits in really nicely with great outlook integration, Microsoft Loop integration, etc. and the experience on Teams is fine

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[–] [email protected] 48 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (7 children)
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[–] [email protected] 9 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

I love how they rolled out the new upgraded Teams and it's still awful!

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

It's because they did at least one complete rewrite, possibly two. But both of them needed to integrate with the rest of Microsoft, which practically forces them to be crap.

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[–] [email protected] 8 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

It's the worst and has been running like total crap for years. Even Skype for business worked better. Luckily it is better than Cisco Jabber or Webex.

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[–] [email protected] 25 points 20 hours ago (2 children)

Since I have not seen anyone mention this problem yet: Teams doesn't let you mute other people in a call for yourself. Obviously also no volume control per person. Imagine sitting next to your coworker in a teams meeting and having to deal with hearing them twice with like 20 ms delay. Awful.

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