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I am currently using a legitimate copy of Windows 11, on the latest version. Just started getting this message after the latest update.

Considering I already have Linux and Mac as alternatives, if they actually pull my license they will just lose a lifelong customer. Their business decisions truly boggle the mind...

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[–] [email protected] 17 points 1 day ago (2 children)

You think that's fucked, I updated and I get this message now that won't fuck off, stating I am both up to date, and missing updates at the same fucking time. Doesn't matter how many times I check for updates, nothing new is found, nothing installs.

You can hope they won't pull your license, but with this shit I'm just hoping they don't brick my fucking system.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 23 hours ago

Who needs a license when there's massgravel/MAS

[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's a classic Windows update error if I've ever seen one!

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

No doubt, I'm floored.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why do people avoid using the word Microsoft? It's annoying when you use filters and people just circumvent them.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago

You can write Microsoft like it's naughty with changing it's meaning even though it is the same

Micros**t

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Update your filters, bro. M$ is used for decades.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Why though? What is the purpose of avoiding the filters? Are there shadow-bans based on keywords on Lemmy? There might be something I'm missing, but I only see this as a way to inconvenience people who use filters.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 1 day ago

i'm afraid it's M$ or MiKKKroSSoft. your choice.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Honestly, I think it all leads back to the original character limit of Twitter. It's referencing that Microsoft is money-grubbing and power-hungry.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

No it doesn't.
Since at the very least the dollar sign replacement is older than twitter.
And it was done by people who compared the company to nazi Germany.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 1 day ago

Microsoft shouldn't revoke license keys unless it's a leaked VL key being spread around for piracy or the like. The semi-annual major updates seem to count as "versions" like Windows 11 22H2 (now end of service) vs Windows 11 24H2 (current). That said, it's a poorly worded error message and it doesn't help that Windows 11 will cry wolf at every opportunity.

[–] [email protected] 67 points 2 days ago (2 children)

I used to run windows strictly for gaming. Over a year ago, I leapt from the flaming dumpster fire that is Microsoft, and I’ve never once wished that I hadn’t. Everything I need works on Linux.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Just bought myself a steam deck. Gaming on Linux has never been so pleasant.

[–] [email protected] 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago

Nah I went LCD 512 when it went on sale for 419 CAD.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like windows for all games or just anti cheat games cause Linux gaming support is pretty great on most games that are not outright hostile towards it like kernel level anti-cheat games you should give it a try.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Anti cheat works fine nowadays, I've heard that the only problems are caused by devs/publishers that explicitly don’t allow their games to launch on Linux. e.g. Elden Ring and Apex Legends both use easy anticheat; the former boots just fine on Linux while the latter doesn't work no matter what you do

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago

Apex with EAC worked perfectly fine on Linux for the last 2 years, EA just decided to break it by replacing EAC with their own anti-cheat which is Windows only.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Yeah I don't really notice as I stopped playing multi-player games after quake 3 and I just keep playing quake 2 and Doom

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago (2 children)

This message doesn't say anything about the validity of your license, though. Or am I missing something?

I'm not up to date on Windows versions, but saying Win 11 has reached end of service is... unexpected?

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago

Seems like they resolved the issue - the license was legitimate.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago

Maybe there's a service pack?

[–] [email protected] 11 points 1 day ago

Oh no, an update? The horror!

[–] [email protected] 14 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That means you have an old version and need to run Windows update lol. Linux updates too. It says that every few weeks if you never reboot.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

You realize that is a screenshot of the Windows update tool, right? Lol.... The purpose of this post is that it wouldn't let me update, saying that my legitimate copy of Windows 11 was at end of service. The issue has since been resolved.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 5 hours ago

I do realize it. I also think that if you need this much hand holding to use a computer that you’re goin to have the same problem with Linux.

[–] [email protected] 12 points 1 day ago (1 children)

saying that my legitimate copy of Windows 11 was at end of service

The screenshot says the version you use reached EoS and you need to update. There's absolutely nothing about invalid licenses in the screenshot.

Good job for getting upvotes on a "haha winblows bad" troll post, I guess.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I made the jump to Linux a few months ago, and while there are certain conveniences that I miss, everything I actually need works fine. As for gaming, I don't play anything with kernel level anticheat, so it doesn't matter to me that those don't work on linux.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 1 day ago

Which bits do you miss?

[–] [email protected] 24 points 2 days ago (2 children)

99% of what I do is on Linux, I have one Windows partition I occasionally boot into to play games, it is and will remain Win10.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I don't even want windows on raw metal, so I have a virtual machine for work stuff

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

@KazuchijouNo I had a virtual machine with GPU pass through that I was using for gaming but it got broken in the upgrade from Ubuntu 22.04 to 24.04, it seems the UEFI bios provided in 24.04 does not work with GPU pass through, and I've yet to grab one off an OS where it works to replace it. So for now I'm dual-booting. Yea I agree, not all that comfortable with bare metal but Windows doesn't seem to want to recognize ext4 so there is some security by accident there.

[–] [email protected] 4 points 2 days ago (4 children)

There are cases where Windows messes up with booting, rendering Linux unable to boot. There's even a recent thing involving GRUB that stopped booting up after some Windows update.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Win and Linux on separate drives, with no boot loader, using bios boot selector is the only way. Windoze has no idea it's not the only OS on my machine.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

@metaStatic @datavoid @KazuchijouNo @dsilverz I've had them sharing drives for many years no big deal. If you understand Linux well enough to know how to install a boot loader if it gets overritten not an issue. If you're using a modern UEFI Bios also not an issue. Only an issue if you're using legacy bios and don't know how to re-install a boot loader.

[–] [email protected] 3 points 2 days ago (1 children)

funny thing about people, most of us don't want to reinstall our bootloader every time windows updates. Putting aside windows fucking up linux partitions in other totally not intentional ways.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

@metaStatic @datavoid @KazuchijouNo @dsilverz As I previously stated, I have NEVER had to do this with UEFI bios. Early versions of Windows 10 had a tendency to create a new EFI partition instead of using the existing one and that could be problematic but even that is no longer an issue.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

That's why I just use a VM, I skip all the complications of having to fix bootloaders and broken installs. If anything goes wrong with windows I just delete the VM. Arch barely uses any RAM, so even back when I had only 8GB, windows ran incredibly well. I've updated to 16GB (because I needed the 64 bit version of excel and I wasn't being able to install it due to RAM requirements). Ever since then, I don't even look back to dual booting.

Funny story, originally my laptop was dual booted, but I removed windows completely and formated the partition, and since it was at the beggining of the drive, and you cannot move blocks around so easily in storage (I needed another SSD or hard drive to copy them momentarily) I was left with a hole in my storage. What I did was, mount the directory with the VM image storage to the empty partition. So now it's kind of "dual booting" with some extra steps and with the added benefit of being able to use both OS' at the same time

[TL;DR] If possible, just use a VM

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

@KazuchijouNo Well again as I stated, I haven't had an issue since going to UEFI in 2012, that's 12 years so problems, and I also had a VM because it allowed me to move between Linux and Windows more easily but Ubuntu broke the vm uefi bios in 24.04, I do have a Manjaro machine which works (based on Arch) so am going to steal the bios off of it to get it working again.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

You can always reinstall GRUB with Super GRUB2 Disk.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago

@daggermoon I just use a live boot usb,
mount /dev/sda1 (or whatever root is) /mnt
mount /dev/sda3 (or whatever EFI is) /mnt/boot/efi
mount --bind /dev /mnt/dev
mount --bind /dev/pts /mnt/pts
mount --rbind /sys /mnt/sys
mount --rbind /proc /mnt/proc
cp /etc/resolv.conf /mnt/resolv.conf
chroot /mnt
grub install /dev/sda (or whichever drive you want)

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[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I can't think of any windows specific games I've payed for the last two years.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

@mesamunefire I started playing a game called Flyff back in 2004, though I've had to switch servers several times because admins have become incompetent or discontinued, I've played ever since, currently playing Insanity Flyff, level 311 character Nanook there. I've tried to get it to run under wine but it uses a root kit anti-cheat so won't work under wine. This is soon going to be an issue with Win11 as well as they plan on disallowing root-kit anticheats soon. So maybe the game will adapt and then play under wine.

[–] [email protected] 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Microsoft has discussed the possibility of creating user mode APIs for the monitoring that security programs like CrowdStrike could utilize instead of installing a kernel mode driver, but they haven't said anything about locking down kernel mode drivers and I personally doubt they ever would.

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[–] [email protected] 11 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Does the learn more link actually say anything useful or relevant?

[–] [email protected] 10 points 2 days ago

That would be a no:

https://learn.microsoft.com/en-ca/lifecycle/faq/windows

I'd assume someone accidentally wrote 23H instead of 22H, and then no one else bothered to check it.

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