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[–] [email protected] 239 points 1 week ago (3 children)

We're seeing a substantial increase on the Mastodon instance I help moderate too, but there's no aggregate marketing department at Mastodon so we don't get any headlines.

[–] [email protected] 83 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I'm using both platforms through Openvibe when I'm on my phone.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago

Thanks for letting me know about this. Just installed it. Now if they supported multiple mastodon accounts, I'd really be cooking.

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[–] Yerbouti 99 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (5 children)

Going from one shitty capitalist business to another shitty capitalist business.

[–] [email protected] 70 points 1 week ago (15 children)

I think this is the crowd that tried Mastodon and then abandoned it when they realized it required a modicum of effort.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (5 children)
[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This man ran into the weirdos on Mastodon. I'm over there hanging out with people posting about ass-pennies and no one cries "content warning!" You're the one who decides who you follow and who follows you. If your hanging out with folks too sensitive for your liking, that's on you.

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[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

wtf kind of lame criticism of mastodon is this...there are constantly cute pictures of pets being posted on mastodon... and like anywhere else with humans these posts are very popular on mastodon.

I would say these posts are MORE popular on mastodon because without an algorithm cute animal photos are going to stick out as popular even more.

This is all nonsense anyways, Bluesky is considered "cooler" by techy types with a childlike awareness of history, politics and power because the tech is cooler when considered in the abstract.

Coincidently none of these technical details have the capacity to make bluesky a truly open and free place otherwise those investors would sue bluesky for purposefully and willfully not pursuing profit for shareholders. This won't stop certain types from pointing at pictures in the sand and reciting idle words thrown to the wind by the people in charge for now.

Bluesky exists as a legal instrument of profit, all else about bluesky is malleable and changeable and will eventually be bulldozed or undermined in the pursuit of profit for shareholders.

edit 2 this is a real human, and I was grumpy and while it was satisfying to point fingers it just makes me into the asshole so I removed that, but my broader point still stands

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[–] [email protected] 26 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I doubt this sort of attitude helps, too. Mastodon developers know at least some of its failings. Migrating to Bluesky is not effortless.

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[–] [email protected] 69 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Everything is better than Twitter I guess.

Is this running on a modified version of Mastodon?

[–] [email protected] 94 points 1 week ago (5 children)

BlueSky is its own thing with its own federated protocol called ATproto. They have an explanation in their docs on how it works, different features. There's a bridge between the two as well, a bit janky but effective.

[–] [email protected] 100 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It's a federated protocol, but the network itself isn't meaningfully federated, and is basically just Bluesky (the company) infrastructure. Hopefully that changes, because until then, it's still a centralised social media platform, despite the underlying technology

[–] [email protected] 63 points 1 week ago (2 children)

They have no reason to change that. They will long term want the exact same thing that twitter has, access to all user data and control of the platform.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (10 children)

And I still to this day don't get the appeal of the twitter model

[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago

Yes, I much prefer following topics over people. Every time I glance at microblogging, there is just so much noise. At least lemmy-style forums have upvotes to surface quality content rather than the jumbled mess that microblogs are. No matter how much I like someone (even IRL friends/family), I won't be interested in their every passing thought, it's just exhausting.

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[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (9 children)

No, and it doesnt federate even though they promised that a long time ago. Unless they do, they will inevitably also go to shit, there is no way around the enshittification pipeline. Just stick to mastodon and invest in a long term future.

For a slightly more detailed explanation: https://pluralistic.net/2024/11/02/ulysses-pact/#tie-yourself-to-a-federated-mast

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 1 week ago (16 children)

I honestly don't understand why people waited so I don't use mastodon but I did cancel my Twitter account literally the first week he bought it. It wasn't hard to see this coming and I just don't get the delay.

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[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago (1 children)

FWIW there's a way to bridge Bluesky accounts to Mastodon

https://fed.brid.gy/

[–] [email protected] 24 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Why don't people want to use mastodon?

Are they following rasputin again?

Does Mastodon refuse to deal with its issues, like Lemmy?

[–] [email protected] 46 points 1 week ago (13 children)

Anecdotally, I joined Mastodon, found it difficult to find people who I personally know that were on different instances, kind of lost interest and thought kbin might be a better solution for both forums and microblogs all in one place, then my Mastodon instance shut down, and then kbin died too. Hence me being on lemmy.world, as default and stable of a server as there is here.

Bluesky felt fun and familiar right off the bat, my only issue was that it was still so small when I joined. Now that there's an influx of new users, many of whom I followed on the bird site, it just feels like Twitter 2, which I suspect is what most people want.

FWIW I have a highly technical job and consider myself pretty tech literate, so I don't think any of the issues I had with Mastodon weren't things I could've figured out or worked around, I just didn't feel incentivized to bother. I suspect they've smoothed out a lot of the federating issues I saw before, but at this point I'm happy enough on Bluesky to stay put.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (12 children)

Mastodon does refuse to deal with its issues but i wouldnt say that about Lemmy. Lemmy just has a very small dev team working off no funding.

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[–] [email protected] 18 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Why don't people want to use mastodon?

Because it doesn't have a proper discover feed.

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[–] [email protected] 51 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Bluesky is not as decentralized as you think.. Just saying.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 1 week ago

Bluesky is not decentralized at all.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (7 children)

That is actually an advantage. Centralized platforms are able to achieve larger audiences, increasing the chance that I will be able to find content I actually care about.

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[–] [email protected] 38 points 1 week ago (9 children)

What aren't they joining Mastodon and Lemmy? Or even Threads?

[–] nao 32 points 1 week ago (5 children)

Mastodon or Lemmy, because you would have to choose an instance and a client. Threads, because why would you?

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[–] [email protected] 28 points 1 week ago (3 children)

Bluesky is a lot easier to use vs fediverse stuff, discovering stuff is also easier in my experience vs mastodon.

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[–] zarkanian 25 points 1 week ago

I'll use Bluesky before I use Threads. I don't want to get sucked further into the Zuckerborg.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (11 children)

An even better alternative is to replace it with nothing. The Twitter-like messaging paradigm is only good for trivia and rumor-mongering.

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[–] [email protected] 36 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Soon Twitter will complete its transition to Nazi Bar of Social Media.

[–] [email protected] 57 points 1 week ago

If there's openly Nazis in your bar and they aren't being kicked out, you're in a Nazi bar. They completed that transition a while ago.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Bluesky is popping off lately it feels even more lively and the block tools are great.

[–] [email protected] 29 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (7 children)

Sigh, here we go again. I jumped on board because it’s where my friends are. Was pleasantly surprised that most of my old twitter follows are already there. Still, given the history I’m being careful and ready for the next enshittification exodus.

I wish folks would just embrace self hosting and decentralization but we obviously love to make the same mistakes again, and again, and again…

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[–] [email protected] 33 points 1 week ago

Impressive, since "network effects" are what keeps people on a platform. Why move off Xitter or FB when everyone's on there, and not on the new place? Keep moving a significant fraction of a million people every week, and pretty soon, it'll be where everyone is.

My partner, who is very non-technical, signed up for a BlueSky as well this week: "all the teacher blogs have declared that they are moving over". Looks like everyone has had enough.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I made an account yesterday to see how it is, however, I never used Twitter and so I don’t really understand how BlueSky works (since it suppose to be the same as Twitter?).

I followed 8 people and a couple of “#” but I barely see a thing of the people, I follow.

[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago

You can also search for "starter packs" of helpful people to follow in whatever you are interested in, e.g., history, cooking, overthrowing the government, etc.

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[–] [email protected] 22 points 1 week ago (3 children)

I've seen the effect. It's just like after Brazil cut Twitter off. My very niche account has been gaining new followers by the hour.

I have no idea how people interested in Heathcliff are being found by new people. Much less people interested in Heathcliff without Heathcliff.

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[–] [email protected] 21 points 1 week ago (13 children)

as a Bluesky / Mastodon user, Mastodon is wayyyy better.

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (3 children)

People doing anything to not use mastodon...

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[–] [email protected] 20 points 1 week ago (7 children)

eh it is good to leave that shit hole behind but Elon already got very high returns from his investment on Shitter (got his daddy elected) so it's too late.

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[–] [email protected] 19 points 1 week ago
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