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Summary

Historians suggest Democrats might have fared better against Donald Trump by embracing the economic issues championed by Senator Bernie Sanders, who has long pushed for a focus on “bread-and-butter” concerns for working-class voters.

Despite Kamala Harris’s progressive policies, polls showed Trump was favored on economic issues, particularly among working-class and Hispanic voters.

Historian Leah Wright Rigueur argued that Sanders’ messaging on economic struggles could be key for future Democratic strategies.

Sanders himself criticized the party for “abandoning” the working class, which he said has led to a loss of support across racial lines.

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[–] [email protected] 1 points 23 hours ago

The more Dems and Progressives think and sound like Bernie, the better.

[–] [email protected] 33 points 2 days ago (2 children)

If democrats were capable of listening we wouldnt have two terms of donald trump.

[–] [email protected] 18 points 2 days ago

Not even a single term

Hell, if the US could finally get rid of this first past the pole, winner takes all system, the democratic and Republican parties wouldn't even exist anymore, they'd both be replaced by better parties

[–] [email protected] 22 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

I usually vote along with the democrats, but neoliberals are so freaking elitist and clueless. As much as it pisses me off that I'm going to have to deal with whatever fascist bs Trump has in store, it's really quite nice seeing them get their asses handed to them by a populist... It's just too bad it wasn't a left-wing populist.

[–] [email protected] 2 points 2 days ago

I vote for Democrats because I kinda half to, not because I want to.

I wanted to vote for Sanders. I voted for Biden and Harris.

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 2 days ago

Democrats should have listened to Bernie Sanders, Captain Obvious says.

[–] [email protected] 77 points 3 days ago (8 children)

If we had run Bernie in 2016, Trump would still be nothing but a punchline.

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[–] Grandwolf319 39 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You guys need to think of the DNC as more of a for profit business.

From that perspective, they were super successful in making so much money.

Remember, there can be more money made when you intentionally lose, similar to butch in pulp fiction.

[–] Bakkoda 20 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Every single text i got had donate in the first sentence. The DNC had a very singular message this cycle and it was donate. It shows the flaws in the system and it shows the flaws in the party. Until i start seeing serious conversations about serious fuckin issues like repealing Citizens United, universal healthcare and proper privacy laws I can no longer consider the DNC a serious organization.

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[–] [email protected] 32 points 3 days ago
[–] [email protected] 145 points 4 days ago (17 children)

It is absolutely clear now. The DNC is a private company whose main function is to fund raise, period. If they also win an election then that's great, but if it comes to a choice between winning and raising money, they will choose raising money. They will never move to the left to win voters if it will cost them fund raising opportunities from the center and right.

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[–] [email protected] 56 points 3 days ago (21 children)

I don't really know how the Democratic Party is expected to steer out of the center-right ditch, though. With all the dark money calling the shots, I mean. Bernie is the exception that proves the rule.

The electorate is actually far more progressive on the issues than the corporate media lets on. But the minute the Democratic Party were to embrace Bernie-style positions? You can bet that not only the "liberal media" would declare this sO vErY eXtReMe, but all the big money would be spending against them, and spending against them hard. Think it's bad now where crypto, Elon, and the Washington Post are tilting against the Democrats? Imagine they actually embraced progressives....

Not saying I love it, I just don't know what the answer is.

[–] [email protected] 38 points 3 days ago (3 children)

At this point maybe the democrats just need to embrace these hard positions and normalize them. The gop doesn't appear to care how radical their stances are and they get votes regardless of the racism. Trump's whole shtick has been normalizing bad behavior and gaslighting the other party into thinking any wrong they do is a gotcha- they're operating on two very different rulesets.

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[–] [email protected] 182 points 4 days ago (26 children)

More voters should have listened to Bernie.

He told people what to do.

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 days ago (3 children)

Yes, but people forgot that his real message was to get out there an be the change. Bernie's message was never about relying on or believing in the Democrats, it was that change only happens when we mobilize.

He told us to get out there and run ourselves and get personally involved and invested in our local politics so we can be the revolution.... We just chose not to listen to him.

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[–] [email protected] 6 points 2 days ago

Could have had a bad bitch.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 2 days ago (1 children)

If Democrats could hear criticism, they'd be very upset.

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[–] [email protected] 97 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I've been saying that since the DNC fucked him over in the 2016 election. I voted for Biden, then Harris, but I never fucking forgot who's to blame for the state of things now.

[–] [email protected] 71 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Berine had the biggest grassroots campaign I've seen in my time alive, bigger than Obama, more individual donations than any candidate ever.

But the DNC knew if they ran a real progressive it would threaten their corrupt racket

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 2 days ago

Lmao. Historians.

I should have gone to bed at a reasonable time last night instead of doom scrolling, historians say.

[–] [email protected] 20 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (3 children)

It seems to me that a lot of people are confused about what "supporting the working class" would actually mean.

It wouldn't mean that the working class would start thinking like Democrats. It will mean that Democrats will start thinking like the working class. Think about the implications, they're not all what you want them to be.

Probably worth it, though.

[–] [email protected] 23 points 3 days ago (4 children)

The implications, like supporting a higher minimum wage, universal healthcare, labor protections, unionization, and ending the forever wars?

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 days ago

Like the other out-of-touch libs, when you say 'working class' what you mean is 'racist white rural people'.

Half my coworkers were either born outside the US or are second-gen. My national just voted to affirm and support trans rights. Turns out, people who work for money are working class. That includes, well, everybody.

This misunderstanding is why the Dems 'moved to the right' this election. They still think it's 1950. Moving to the right doesn't make you appealing to the working class, it makes you appealing to bigots.

Literally just make life easier for the working poor. That is all you need to do.

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