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They think the poorest Americans won't have a choice. They dont realize theres actually not enough people to fill out all these freshly vacated "opportunities".

"Before you say anything, just hear me out. There's like tons of prisons everywhere, so what if we march the prisoners at gunpoint to work the fields, for free?" ~ Trump administration, probably

This will be the main test of whether Trumpism rules or capital rules. The rich people love Republican tax cuts and deregulation, which was the main product of his first term (coincidentally everything the rich didn't like failed), but going after cheap immigrant labor or taxing their foreign sweat shops is going to stir up some behind the scenes conflict. Voters are stupid (e.g., "did Biden drop out" searches), they'll be surprised when the leopards eat their face, the rich people are well aware that the leopards are dangerous and hope that their leopard control devices can get them through unscathed with an even greater piece of the pie.

The part that absolutely baffles me is that latinos shifted heavily to vote for Trump, for potentially the deportation of their own family members.

Had this conversation with my stepmom. She is complaining that peaches cost $1 each. She thinks this is too expensive and that the cost will go down now. I'm quietly kind of amazed that she thinks that she'll even find a peach that didn't rot on the ground for less than $10 or whatever they will cost once the labor goes up. I didn't say anything to her about it because it just doesn't matter anymore. It is pointless even to converse about any topic. We experience separate realities. She believes happy days are finally here, and I just don't care if she sees another peach ever again in her lifetime. Whatever happens to the peaches is her fault.

Do they think Americans are going to the fields to pick watermelons?

Yes, yes they do. They'll cheer the new federal child labor laws that allow for it and the increased prison population that will be forced to work the fields

This defense of not deporting people just highlights our issues with labor. This acknowledges that underpaid labor is a necessary part of our economic system.

I am against the deportation of these people but I would not justify it by justifying the system that is trying to under value all of our labor.

I think it's about terrorizing their workforces. Construction, ag, meat packing, so many conservative heavy segments of the economy both import enormous amounts of labor, AND, want to legislate the threats to this population.

That is the plan. The ensuing chaos will reduce immigrants to second class almost-citizens who will work for even less.

Well, they will buy the same people back from the government for a penny on the dollar, and then they will own them.

There will be plenty of volunteers willing to do it for free, I'm sure. Plus if you're not bothered about any kind of process, legal structure or anything other than "let's racistly victimise some people with the tacit approval of the state", and if many of them die in the process that's actually a bonus in your view, then you can really cut down on costs.

Right, which means putting them in… let’s call them “camps,” and holding them there is cheaper than arranging transportation. This could also provide free labor… or “slaves” if you will, which has been at the top of the GOP’s… I mean, Confederate’s list of desires for centuries.

Let's hope they don't decide it's too hard to depart people and just start shooting them.

you do realize there are still children, separated from their parents, who haven't been reunited? even in their incompetence, it's abject cruelty and hate.

Walls require a lot more effort. Experts and architects to design the thing, land which is both expensive and sometimes tricky to acquire, and materials and hard physical labor which is also costly.

Rounding up illegals just requires some willing thugs, some weapons, vehicles, and maybe a dumpy place to drop them while you wait for them to be cleared across the border. I’m willing to bet there’s plenty out there who would do this for free, and even happily provide their own equipment.

That's the hope, but clearly we see that hope and a quarter gets you 25 cents and that's all