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Russian official Dmitry Medvedev, a close ally of Vladimir Putin, suggested Donald Trump’s election victory may benefit Russia’s interests in Ukraine, citing Trump’s reluctance to fund “idiotic allies” and “voracious international organizations.”

Although Medvedev stopped short of celebrating, he hinted Trump’s aversion to foreign spending could weaken U.S. support for Ukraine.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky cautiously congratulated Trump, recalling their recent discussion on U.S.-Ukraine cooperation.

Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov maintained a guarded tone, noting the U.S. remains an “unfriendly country” involved in the Ukraine conflict.

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[–] [email protected] 214 points 3 weeks ago

Mission accomplished.

[–] [email protected] 164 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

The USA just lost the cold war.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago

I guess the USSR and USA had mutually assured destruction by means other than nuclear

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

Both sides lost the cold war.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago

It hasn't been a cold war in Ukraine.

[–] [email protected] 93 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

RIP Ukraine, Palestine, and Taiwan. It was nice knowing you.

I hope any Jill Stein voters are happy

[–] [email protected] 59 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The Jill Stein votes wouldnt even make a dent in the staggering votes for the Republicans...

[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago

Yup, Democrats only win elections when they show up to vote. And Democrats did not show up this year.

[–] [email protected] 24 points 3 weeks ago (6 children)

Where are the other 20million voters that didn’t show?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

At home. Too lazy to do anything.

I was playing Catan online yesterday as the results were coming out, I asked the chat if anyone was from the US. Out of 4 players, 2 where from the us and one didn’t bother to go vote. I was shocked. He didn’t even have a good excuse.

That should tell you everything you need to know.

Trump didn’t win…It’s the people that failed to show up.

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[–] [email protected] 84 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

America has abandoned Ukraine and NATO.

Time for Europe to step up.

[–] [email protected] 58 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Europe has already been pulling their weight in Ukraine. Now they'll also have to pick up the slack that they US is about to create.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

Financially absolutely. We do not have the military industrial complex to replace the armaments that the US has been providing however.

I'm sure Ukraine has been preparing for this eventually but I really fear for them and the medium term consequences for us all if Putin gets his way in this war. :(

[–] [email protected] 63 points 3 weeks ago (23 children)

All those lemmy.ml people did their jobs bashing Harris to get trump elected.

[–] [email protected] 75 points 3 weeks ago (4 children)

Lemmy and the Fediverse as a whole is a microcosm that doesn't make much of a difference one way or the other. We can stab at the tankies all we like, but it wasn't their influence in the Fediverse that caused the result, even if they did manage to hoodwink a few into voting for fake tan man.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago

It wasn't their influence alone, of course not.

They were just part of the bigger propaganda machine that infiltrated so many social media sites.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago

Taking a broader perspective, social media and those who manipulate it played a huge role in Trump's win. And Lemmy's part of that, like it or not.

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[–] [email protected] 27 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (5 children)

I have voted blue in every election since Obama McCain, despite not liking a single one of the General election candidates, and I phone banked and primaried for Bernie twice.

I don't blame those who sat out. The only reason I don't is to maximize harm reduction so I can look myself in the mirror. I blame those that voted for Trump for Trump.

We have a center right party and a fascist party, both hypercapitalist. You can scream at democratic socialists like me and other leftists, but in my entire lifetime, we have never had a party platform to enthusiastically vote for, only against the worst of 2 terrible options that embrace economic inequity and are well bribed to do so.

And singling them out as the worst offenders for doing nothing on election day while people voted FOR the fascist has just ensured keeping those that decided to disengage stay disengaged, because the neoliberals that run the Democrat party seem to hate leftists even more than Republicans, and say the same thing every cycle to them.

Because at least Republicans believe in our herp derp "free" market capitalist economy, amirite? I wish that commonality our supposed leftwing party has had with Republicans for ages, but especially since Reagan, would tell you something...

Because a society shouldn't be comfortable with an economy that by design leaves so many of its people "losing" so hard they're dying of exposure on our streets, let alone BOTH of our only 2 political parties that matter. But we aren't a society, just a bunch of rugged individuals at each other's throats fighting for the owner's ever dwindling scraps.

[–] [email protected] 17 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

The fact that liberals are blaming leftists and other liberals for this result instead of the complete and utter failings of the Democratic party this election cycle is mind boggling. Having Biden run for a second term was a huge blunder. Then when he was clearly unfit to run again, they rammed Harris through, even though she already primaried in 2020 and was extremely unpopular. Will the dnc take the blame and change anything though? Absolutely fucking not! They'll blame the voters for being racist or sexist or unmotivated or leftist or dumb or whatever. And people will eat it up, look at these comment sections already

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

There was actually a lot of enthusiasm for her. But she didn't change his campaign. She ran it the exact same way. And his campaign was already causing people to disengage. I remember in the spring he was trying to celebrate the economy and his advisors whined to the press that the people didn't agree with him. Did they change that messaging? No they doubled down and told their base they were wrong. Their financial trouble was just Republican propaganda.

Which is insane for a political campaign.

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[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Oh please, 20 million voters that didn't vote wasn't affected by the rantings of a few people on Lemmy or Reddit.

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[–] [email protected] 9 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

That would almost be funny again. So why didn't you vote?

I was gonna, but then some people on a forum didn't like her.

You deserve him if THAT is what it takes.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

That’s all it takes. Manipulation in your doom scroll

[–] [email protected] 8 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Nah I think it was Elon "Goebbels 2" Musk more than them. They didn't help but he should get all the credit.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Him and Joe Rogan

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[–] [email protected] 60 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)
[–] [email protected] 51 points 3 weeks ago

Realistic headline: Russia finally wins Cold War by installing orange shithead for second time

[–] [email protected] 50 points 3 weeks ago (3 children)

Yeah, they're gloating now. But who knows, maybe Trump will backstab Putin like he backstabs everyone else. Though it's unlikely, since he seems to cower whenever he's near his Daddy Vladdy.

[–] [email protected] 35 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Trump also probably still holds a grudge against Ukraine for not manufacturing/finding dirt on Biden during the last election, or whatever the particulars were.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

And don't forget his impeachment over Ukraine too. He is going to fuck them hard. I really hope Europe can pick up the slack on arms production quickly.

[–] [email protected] 6 points 3 weeks ago

Ukraine's chances have certainly taken a hit after this election. I also hope Europe starts producing more arms to back Ukraine. Europe needs to do that now and so much more.

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[–] [email protected] 49 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Everyone should know about The Foundations of Geopolitics: The Geopolitical Future of Russia

That plan from 1997 is literally being implemented before our eyes. And now that trump is in again it will accelerate much faster than it has been (so far with Brexit, Ukraine, trump, partnering w/ Iran, far right in Germany). Next removing US from NATO and driving France and Germany apart.

[–] [email protected] 5 points 3 weeks ago

Well that's fucking terrifying. Project 1997.

[–] [email protected] 39 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Yeah the Orange Sack of Shit is useful to a lot of people.

[–] [email protected] 13 points 3 weeks ago

They're literally calling him a useful idiot... That means something in security circles.

[–] [email protected] 36 points 3 weeks ago

Of course, now that Putins biggest asset is back in place. Remember when Russia took out American agents in Russia, shortly after Trump requested a list of those people from the agencies, which was shortly after a talk with Putin that went without any witnesses?

[–] [email protected] 26 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

To be fair they're saying this not because it's actually useful (which it might be) but because them saying this stirrs shit up and makes people more upset. They're playing on the feeling that is already there, and the best thing to do is to dismiss their comment as a play to make us upset with eachother and watch what they do instead. They want us to burn bridges. That's what's useful to them.

[–] [email protected] 11 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Few weeks ago it was Biden that Russia preferred.

I don't understand why people give a fuck about what they have to say.

[–] [email protected] 7 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

People give a fuck because they're (with reason) emotionally invested in the politics of their lives, and which politicians are elected directly effects their lives. That one's not too hard to grasp.

But while that will always be the case, people need to realize that Russian propaganda is inherently opportunistic and it has a goal of pushing us further apart from one another. There are real issues that lead to these sorts of political outcomes.

It's not because of Russia, but the russian state is incredibly efficient at grabbing those issues and amplifying them to the point where we stop trusting our neighbors and families, thus breaking the democratic wheel.

Knowing that is part of the solution but realizing that there are actual issues that make people vote for political figures like Trump and listening to those voters without making assumptions about their morals is even more important.

edit to add: the republicans are part of America. Their voters are part of America. Just as democrats are. Trump is part of it, so is Jill Stein. Own it, learn from it, don't repeat it. Try to understand why it happened. This is true for every country, but with different characters, other movements.

[–] [email protected] 15 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

Obviously. Trump is a Russian asset, always has been.

Goodbye support to Ukraine, hello to American boots on the ground in Russia

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[–] [email protected] 12 points 3 weeks ago

See? Russia doesn't lie all the time.

[–] [email protected] 10 points 3 weeks ago

They aren't wrong to say this.

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